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oilersfan11 10-30-2012 02:03 AM

Number 1 defenceman to Edmonton
 
What would it take?

SoulReaper 10-30-2012 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by oilersfan11 (Post 55391881)
What would it take?

What do you expect?

It's pretty obvious it's gonna take one of big 4.

duul 10-30-2012 02:25 AM

Same topic every day.

Even as an Oiler fan I know it'll take one of the big 4, and the Oilers won't be trading them. The Oilers are going to build through drafting, free agency for defence.

oilersfan11 10-30-2012 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SoulReaper (Post 55391959)
What do you expect?

It's pretty obvious it's gonna take one of big 4.

Okay,Would could the Oilers get?

StringerBell 10-30-2012 02:27 AM

Another tank job and 3-4 years of proper development.

eskies4life 10-30-2012 02:31 AM

We know what we could get. I don't get why fans always post about this. If we trade Hall, Nuge, Yak, Eberle we are going to get value back. (Imo OEL type player for any of them) although some of the other fans may disagree and thats HF. G Night.

Socratic Method Man 10-30-2012 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by oilersfan11 (Post 55391881)
What would it take?

I'm sure if you package MPS with Gagner, maybe throw in a 3rd round pick, St Louis would be happy to give you Alex Pietrangelo, or Pheonix would send you Yandle (if he meets your standards of #1D).

eskies4life 10-30-2012 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Socratic Method Man (Post 55392019)
I'm sure if you package MPS with Gagner, maybe throw in a 3rd round pick, St Louis would be happy to give you Alex Pietrangelo, or Pheonix would send you Yandle (if he meets your standards of #1D).

Lol'd at Piets for that package.


I meant the package for Piets was horrible...

StringerBell 10-30-2012 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Socratic Method Man (Post 55392019)
I'm sure if you package MPS with Gagner, maybe throw in a 3rd round pick, St Louis would be happy to give you Alex Pietrangelo, or Pheonix would send you Yandle (if he meets your standards of #1D).

But then who would play second line center? ;)

Xav 10-30-2012 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Socratic Method Man (Post 55392019)
I'm sure if you package MPS with Gagner, maybe throw in a 3rd round pick, St Louis would be happy to give you Alex Pietrangelo, or Pheonix would send you Yandle (if he meets your standards of #1D).

:laugh: do not let Blues or Coyotes fans see this post.

rumrokh 10-30-2012 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by eskies4life (Post 55392015)
We know what we could get. I don't get why fans always post about this. If we trade Hall, Nuge, Yak, Eberle we are going to get value back. (Imo OEL type player for any of them) although some of the other fans may disagree and thats HF. G Night.

The problem there is that there is no such thing as value in a vacuum. In order to entice a team to give up a player (such as Phoenix with OEL), you need to be meeting their needs.

OEL really broke out last year and was a huge part of their deep playoff run. There isn't a winger in the league whose price tag, age, and impact could tempt Phoenix. Maybe Ovechkin and Kovalchuk for age and impact, but, again Phoenix is not in a position to spend like that. So the only one of the Oilers' "big four" who would start the conversation is RNH. Still, Larsson is more proven and I, personally, wouldn't make that deal if I were Phoenix's management, even though it's an interesting idea.

Who else around the league is a similarly young #1 defenseman like Larsson? Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Doughty? All no. Guys in the next tier like McDonagh, Myers, Hedman, Bogosian, Subban, Adam Larsson, etc. are more likely targets. Find a team who can give up a guy like that without ruining their defensive lineup (tough), and also needs firepower up front and you have the beginnings of a deal. Other than that, you'll have to expand your search to guys in their later 20's. That doesn't mean the big 4 aren't worth that much, but, rather, it means that every team has unique needs, and winger-for-defenseman trades are an awkward start.

Oshie97 10-30-2012 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by eskies4life (Post 55392047)
Lol'd at Piets for that package.

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lol if you actually think Petro is not worth it. How much do you think a young number one d-man is worth? You won't get a Petro, Doughty, or Karlsson with that type of package.

internetdotcom 10-30-2012 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by eskies4life (Post 55392047)
Lol'd at Piets for that package.

I'm pretty sure (at least I hope for their sake) that they were being sarcastic.

And if you do actually think Pietrangelo is not worth that, then I weep for you.

The Rock 10-30-2012 03:51 AM

Pietrangelo is worth MPS, Gagner, and the next 2 edm first round picks

Xav 10-30-2012 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Rock (Post 55392273)
Pietrangelo is worth MPS, Gagner, and the next 2 edm first round picks

If that...

rumrokh 10-30-2012 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by The Rock (Post 55392273)
Pietrangelo is worth MPS, Gagner, and the next 2 edm first round picks

And in an instant, Doug Armstrong goes from GM of the year to Terri Schiavo.

fedfed 10-30-2012 04:26 AM

Carlson for Yak or Ebs.

416Leafer 10-30-2012 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rumrokh (Post 55392159)
Who else around the league is a similarly young #1 defenseman like Larsson? Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Doughty? All no. Guys in the next tier like McDonagh, Myers, Hedman, Bogosian, Subban, Adam Larsson, etc. are more likely targets. Find a team who can give up a guy like that without ruining their defensive lineup (tough), and also needs firepower up front and you have the beginnings of a deal. Other than that, you'll have to expand your search to guys in their later 20's. That doesn't mean the big 4 aren't worth that much, but, rather, it means that every team has unique needs, and winger-for-defenseman trades are an awkward start.

Good post. I could see the following as options due to other teams depth. And even then all teams would be very hesitate to move such valuable blueline pieces. And they may not be exactky what youre hoping to get.

Yandle. I dont see them moving OEL.
One of Enstrom or Bogosian.
McDonagh or Staal. I think theyd want to keep Girardi, MDZ isnt good enough.
Edler. But he's a pending UFA

DKQ 10-30-2012 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by topdog (Post 55392405)
And people claim we Hab and Leaf fans overrate our players.:laugh:

Pietrangelo is better than Subban. Pretend the Habs were in the same position to contend as the Blues: does trading away Subban for Gagner (a 40-50 point center) and MPS (a possible 30-40 point winger) make the team better?

The picks arent worth much to the Blues because they are in a "win soon" mode. By the time the players picked make the NHL, the Blues core will be getting older and likely will have split slightly.

Basically what Im saying is that Pietrangelo is worth far more than that package, especially to the Blues.

nmbr_24 10-30-2012 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by oilersfan11 (Post 55391881)
What would it take?

It really depends on which D-man.

I do think it is going to cost more than one of your players and would have to include one of Hall, RNH, Eberle, or Yakupov because those are the desirable players on the Oilers.

If the Oilers aren't ready to give one of those guys up in a trade it is probably best to stay the course and try and draft one or sign one as an UFA.

If you can come nto grips with the fact that most of the players on the Oilers are not in the top half of the players in the NHL and that players like Hemsky, Horcoff, Gagner, etc, are not going to get you anywhere near a legit #1 D-man, it is probably best to just be patient.

There will be good D-men that the Oilers can trade for, they just aren't getting a guy like Weber and they probably shouldn't be looking to do that anyway.

They could have drafted a potential #1 but they took Yakupov instead. That tells me that the Oilers are building their team and know they have a work in progress and they aren't going to be making any panic moves to try and get better earlier than it should take to rebuild.

Oshie97 10-30-2012 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by topdog (Post 55392405)
And people claim we Hab and Leaf fans overrate our players.:laugh:

Ask L.A what they want for Doughty or Ott fans what they want for Karlsson... You'll get a no way he's moving or your gonna pay a ton. If these types of d-men were easy to find every team would have one, you just don't trade young d like that without ruining your team. We screwed up and gave you Pronger once cause our owner wanted out, its not happening again.

IceDaddy 10-30-2012 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Oshie97 (Post 55392693)
Ask L.A what they want for Doughty or Ott fans what they want for Karlsson... You'll get a no way he's moving or your gonna pay a ton. If these types of d-men were easy to find every team would have one, you just don't trade young d like that without ruining your team. We screwed up and gave you Pronger once cause our owner wanted out, its not happening again.

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Originally Posted by DropkickQuinn (Post 55392645)
Pietrangelo is better than Subban. Pretend the Habs were in the same position to contend as the Blues: does trading away Subban for Gagner (a 40-50 point center) and MPS (a possible 30-40 point winger) make the team better?

The picks arent worth much to the Blues because they are in a "win soon" mode. By the time the players picked make the NHL, the Blues core will be getting older and likely will have split slightly.

Basically what Im saying is that Pietrangelo is worth far more than that package, especially to the Blues.

I think he meant that the Oiler fans were overvaluing the package. At least I hope thats what he meant.


Yandle
Karlsson
Pietrangelo
Doughty
McDonagh
Myers
Hedman
Bogosian
Subban
Larsson


Any one of those would cost the Oilers at least one of the big 4. Some will cost even more.

Fourier 10-30-2012 06:36 AM

Given the way that Schultz, Marincin and Klefbom have played this year I would suspect that the Oilers are not in the market for a number 1 dman. This is not so much because any of these kids would be that guy but more so because the defense looks like it has the potential to be solid without giving up the price it would take to get any of the guys in this thread.

There is no way that Pheonix deals OEL or that St. Louis deals AP without getting back a package that might cripple a team's depth. At best you are looking at someone like Yandle or maybe a younger less a estblished guy like Bogosian. Neither will be cheap. Trading a guy like Yakupov for either, before you know what you really have seems an unnecessary gamble.

They could still take a run at a guy like Edler if he goes the UFA route. It is a longshot, but you never know.

kmad 10-30-2012 06:42 AM

Any team in the league would gladly trade Edmonton their reliable, young #1 defenseman in exchange for Hemsky, MPS, and a mid-round draft pick.

Leafs For Life* 10-30-2012 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by HabsRock (Post 55392721)
I think he meant that the Oiler fans were overvaluing the package. At least I hope thats what he meant.


Yandle
Karlsson
Pietrangelo
Doughty
McDonagh
Myers
Hedman
Bogosian
Subban
Larsson


Any one of those would cost the Oilers at least one of the big 4. Some will cost even more.

And for the next tier, it would be almost equal or a small plus with the D.


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