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Nbr-17 10-31-2012 07:53 AM

Hockey player files suit against CHL for unpaid wages
 
Hockey player Joshua Desmond files suit against CHL for unpaid wages

First of many probably.

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“We look upon our players as student athletes. We’ve never considered ourselves professional. We are under Hockey Canada, which is the recognized amateur sports-governing body.”
The fact that the owners are making money of these kids, does make it a professional league IMHO.

67sfan 10-31-2012 08:05 AM

Nonsense. This seems nothing more to me than a fringe CHL player who didn't make the team this year and is now bitter.

Sorry but these are not professional athletes, they are kids. Sure the owners may make money but these kids are getting free equipment, free room and board, a free season of playing hockey AND some spending money to boot. This doesn't even take into account the education packages offered by the CHL.

Nobody is forcing him to play in the CHL. Seems kind of odd to me that he only feels he was cheated AFTER he got dropped to Jr A.

I'm praying that this goes nowhere with the courts. If the CHL becomes required to pay players.....it's going to hurt all three leagues badly.

BruinsBtn 10-31-2012 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 67sfan (Post 55416753)
Nonsense. This seems nothing more to me than a fringe CHL player who didn't make the team this year and is now bitter.

Sorry but these are not professional athletes, they are kids. Sure the owners may make money but these kids are getting free equipment, free room and board, a free season of playing hockey AND some spending money to boot. This doesn't even take into account the education packages offered by the CHL.

Nobody is forcing him to play in the CHL. Seems kind of odd to me that he only feels he was cheated AFTER he got dropped to Jr A.

I'm praying that this goes nowhere with the courts. If the CHL becomes required to pay players.....it's going to hurt all three leagues badly.

I bet Patrick Roy made $10 million on the Quebec Ramparts last year.

And doesn't Jerome Iginla own a team? He's demanding 57% of HRR from NHL owners while paying his players about 2%.

This is long overdue. All the players want is for their education fund to be available at anytime. It's total BS that if a guy goes to the ECHL for two seasons after playing 5 years in the CHL that he gets nothing.

CharlieGirl 10-31-2012 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BruinsBtn (Post 55416879)
I bet Patrick Roy made $10 million on the Quebec Ramparts last year.

And doesn't Jerome Iginla own a team? He's demanding 57% of HRR from NHL owners while paying his players about 2%.

This is long overdue. All the players want is for their education fund to be available at anytime. It's total BS that if a guy goes to the ECHL for two seasons after playing 5 years in the CHL that he gets nothing.

What position do you hold in the CHLPA?

a) Where have the Mooseheads said they're not going to give him his education package? He's not suing for education funds. He's suing for money.

b) Signing an ECHL contract does not preclude a player from his education package, however, he does have 18 months to use it. How long should a team be required to hold his education package open?

Parents and advisors have had input into the CHL's rules governing education, and they've said that 18 months is the right number. Personally, I think it should be a bit longer, but just how long should a team be obligated? What about a player who bounces around the lower leagues for 10 years. Should his CHL team then cover his tuition and expenses at age 30?

CharlieGirl 10-31-2012 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Nbr-17 (Post 55416649)
The fact that the owners are making money of these kids, does make it a professional league IMHO.

College hockey makes money off the players; are they professional also? What about groups that run minor hockey tournaments for charity? Are those players professional too?

Nbr-17 10-31-2012 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlieGirl (Post 55417507)
College hockey makes money off the players; are they professional also? What about groups that run minor hockey tournaments for charity? Are those players professional too?

I think you're comparing apples&oranges.
In college/university sports he money flows back to other programs that don't generate profits and/or the college/university. Not lining one individuals pockets.
As for the tournaments that you describe, again, the money goes back to charity.

CharlieGirl 10-31-2012 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Nbr-17 (Post 55418491)
I think you're comparing apples&oranges.
In college/university sports he money flows back to other programs that don't generate profits and/or the college/university. Not lining one individuals pockets.
As for the tournaments that you describe, again, the money goes back to charity.

While college/university sports fund other programs, I'd bet there are more college/university sports (particularly in the US) making a LOT more money than CHL teams.

There are certainly CHL teams whose owners are doing well financially, but I'd wager that there are more who are just breaking even. Very few pockets are being lined.

FC SOAP 11-01-2012 08:58 AM

Give them a paycheck, and let's see if they can afford to pay their own rent, education , travel and equipment.

Rangersfan21 11-01-2012 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by FC SOAP (Post 55437057)
Give them a paycheck, and let's see if they can afford to pay their own rent, education , travel and equipment.

I agree, give him 41 hours a week at minimum wage (1600 or so a month). But let him pay his own room and board, travel to games, buy his own equipment and school package. Goodluck with that.

Yes some of the owners make money but so do owners in many Jr.A leagues. Especially in the BCHL where some teams get more fans on average than certain OHL teams (brampton). If the CHL players get paid then so should many other Jr leagues.

Although I do agree that even if they sign a pro contract they should be able to acces there education package. Even if it is 20 years later.

Oilers Chick 11-01-2012 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlieGirl (Post 55418945)
While college/university sports fund other programs, I'd bet there are more college/university sports (particularly in the US) making a LOT more money than CHL teams.

Yeah, it's called NCAA College Football.

CharlieGirl 11-01-2012 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Oilers Chick (Post 55438689)
Yeah, it's called NCAA College Football.

I can't imagine how much money that program hauls in, other than there are lots of zeros behind the first couple of numbers.

CharlieGirl 11-01-2012 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rangersfan21 (Post 55438677)
Although I do agree that even if they sign a pro contract they should be able to acces there education package. Even if it is 20 years later.

I'm a bit torn on this one. I do think a players should have access to his education package regardless of signing a pro contract, but I think there has to be a time limit on it. The education package was established offset the education opportunities the student had to forego to play in the CHL. If a player plays in the NHL, he's received a benefit from playing in the CHL, and there may be no lost education opportunities (i.e. he wouldn't have continued in school after his NHL contract kicked in). In your scenario, Sidney Crosby would be eligible for 2 years of university tuition courtesy of the Rimouski Oceanic forever, despite earning more in one year than Rimouski makes in three years.

ORYX 11-01-2012 12:02 PM

Perhaps the CHL just needs to reassess the availability of the education money.

The CHL is designed to develop Professional hockey players. Those who go on to earn sizable salaries in the NHL, European leagues, and even the AHL have been done right by the league.

The league simply cannot hold money for the players it puts into pro leagues, who can now afford their own education if they stop playing for whatever reason.

I'd propose that once a player signs an NHL contract, their education package is wiped. That comes with the signing of a sizable bonus, plus whatever money is earned while employed by that team. Those who go on to play AHL on an AHL contract should be granted an extension on the 18 months.

Those who do not pursue hockey after the OHL should remain at 18 months. They have 18 months to either request to use their education money, or to continue on in hockey, at which time the deadline to use the education money can be extended.

A union requesting minimum wage on top of all the expenses teams pay for, is stupid.

I see that battle going like "Here is the minimum wage you requested, and here are your bills for equipment, lodging, transportation, oh and a small fee for using the facilities"

CharlieGirl 11-01-2012 08:28 PM

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Josh Desmond has officially withdrawn his complaint from the NS Labour Division. I feel awful for the kid. He got railroaded/used by CHLPA.

leoleo3535 11-07-2012 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BruinsBtn (Post 55416879)
I bet Patrick Roy made $10 million on the Quebec Ramparts last year.

And doesn't Jerome Iginla own a team? He's demanding 57% of HRR from NHL owners while paying his players about 2%.

This is long overdue. All the players want is for their education fund to be available at anytime. It's total BS that if a guy goes to the ECHL for two seasons after playing 5 years in the CHL that he gets nothing.

This is not about the players at all.
It is about 2 brothers trying to retaliate against the CHL.
The kids did not form this union......the najority of the players want nothing to do with these guys.

NBHockey 11-21-2012 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlieGirl (Post 55439161)
I can't imagine how much money that program hauls in, other than there are lots of zeros behind the first couple of numbers.

There was an excellent story on NCAA Football and how much money it generates on 60 Minutes this week - http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50135410n


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