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Thirty One 11-02-2012 10:53 AM

2012-13 Lockout Discussion Part VI: The "What Comes Before Square One?" Edition
 
Boo this thread's existence

Riche16 11-02-2012 10:58 AM

Appropriate title to say the least. I hate to say that the last one made no sense for the past 2 weeks or so.

RangerBoy 11-02-2012 11:10 AM

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Sources saying sponsors r being notified the #NHL Winter classic gm' will be cancelled. An official announcement coming as early as 2pm est
https://twitter.com/RealKyper/status/264398230593343488

Kyper is running in the marathon on Sunday.

nevesis 11-02-2012 11:10 AM

“@RealKyper: Sources saying sponsors r being notified the #NHL Winter classic gm' will be cancelled. An official announcement coming as early as 2pm est”

GordonGecko 11-02-2012 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by nevesis (Post 55461981)
“@RealKyper: Sources saying sponsors r being notified the #NHL Winter classic gm' will be cancelled. An official announcement coming as early as 2pm est”

The season is probably over. The only way it's not is if the players completely give in to the owners after they realize they have no hope

HatTrick Swayze 11-02-2012 11:15 AM

Perfect.

True Blue 11-02-2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GordonGecko (Post 55462059)
The season is probably over. The only way it's not is if the players completely give in to the owners after they realize they have no hope

That is not going to happen.

The earliest next season would start is November. Fehr is not going to cave in. He will wait until the owners feel the pinch of not having sold a single season ticket. Something that they did not feel this year.

nevesis 11-02-2012 11:21 AM

I kind of don't even care anymore. Once a 82 game season was not realized, i've started to give up on the whole thing. It's too much effort to pay attention and care to every single detail.

**** the NHL.

Levitate 11-02-2012 11:22 AM

They're not going to cancel the season until something like February, like they did last time

GordonGecko 11-02-2012 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by True Blue (Post 55462189)
He will wait until the owners feel the pinch of not having sold a single season ticket. Something that they did not feel this year.

I hate to tell you but the damage is already done so most of the owners don't care how many more games are cancelled. Of course the Rangers, Leafs, & Habs are going to be reading Bettman the riot act, but the league has 30 teams, many of which make little to no profit.

The players can sit out 3 seasons if they want, that just means they won't get paid for 3 seasons and they can never get those years back. When that finally sinks a deal will be signed

StaalWars 11-02-2012 11:25 AM

Time to find a new favorite sport. Think I'm going to become a soccer fan.

RangerBoy 11-02-2012 11:27 AM

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Told that Red Wings informed NHL more than a week ago of organization's belief that event should be canceled.
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Don't believe cancelation of Winter Classic will have any impact on dynamics of negotiations once parties reconvene. More of a PR eyesore.
https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie

The game will be played 1/1/14.

RangerBoy 11-02-2012 11:42 AM

Mike Illitch is not a hardline owner.

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The decision to cancel the game was based on a number of factors and logistics was a concern.

The league was tasked with a unique challenge this year in building two rinks -- one at "The Big House" and one at Comerica Park -- and has a contract with the former that requires the NHL to pay for any expenses occurred by the University if the event was canceled later than Nov. 2. The NHL also owed $250,000 of the $3 million rental fee on Nov. 2.

This is not believed to be the biggest deal-breaker, however.

The league did not want to host such an event without the usual bells-and-whistles -- HBO's "24/7"show documenting the event would've been virtually impossible to pull off -- and it did not want the pageantry of the event tainted by the work stoppage.

The Winter Classic is touted by the NHL as a celebration of the game, a tough message to send after a league-imposed lockout has wiped out almost the first two months of the season.


The cancellation of the game does not spell the demise of the entire season altogether, however.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/85...gs-source-says

Good luck selling 120,000 seats.

Riche16 11-02-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RangerBoy (Post 55462403)
https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie

The game will be played 1/1/14.

Think HBO will be involved at that time?

RangerBoy 11-02-2012 11:48 AM

Brooks tweeted this last January

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Next 3 Winter Classics likely to Det/Ann Arbor; DC; Minny, if Wild are good enough. Expect Yankee Stadium 1/1/2016 when Bowl contract ends.
https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/sta...40091290734592

Rangers get pushed back a year?

Florida Ranger 11-02-2012 11:49 AM

This just makes me angrier. Shooting the foot again.

alkurtz 11-02-2012 12:06 PM

Just heard the most unbelievable thing on the radio (this is not a joke).

Announcer: "The NHL and the NHLPA have reached a tentative agreement (my heart skipped a beat).......to resume CBA negotiations."

Riche16 11-02-2012 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by alkurtz (Post 55463245)
Just heard the most unbelievable thing on the radio (this is not a joke).

Announcer: "The NHL and the NHLPA have reached a tentative agreement (my heart skipped a beat).......to resume CBA negotiations."

Lol... I heard the same and thought the same for .00000001 of a sec

Jabroni 11-02-2012 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by alkurtz (Post 55463245)
Just heard the most unbelievable thing on the radio (this is not a joke).

Announcer: "The NHL and the NHLPA have reached a tentative agreement (my heart skipped a beat).......to resume CBA negotiations."

I might have passed out. :laugh::cry:

Lundsanity30 11-02-2012 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by alkurtz (Post 55463245)
Just heard the most unbelievable thing on the radio (this is not a joke).

Announcer: "The NHL and the NHLPA have reached a tentative agreement (my heart skipped a beat).......to resume CBA negotiations."

LOL, who cares anymore honestly. I have my Giants until at least Jan (maybe Feb?), and the yankees start back up in April.

bettercallstaal 11-02-2012 12:20 PM

Hey NHL! Please cancel the Winter Classic on my birthday. I would love it.

Thirty One 11-02-2012 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by twistedwrister17 (Post 55463531)
Hey NHL! Please cancel the Winter Classic on my birthday. I would love it.

Happy birthday.

GordonGecko 11-02-2012 12:41 PM

Good to see the adults are in charge of the adult employees

True Blue 11-02-2012 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonGecko (Post 55462337)
I hate to tell you but the damage is already done so most of the owners don't care how many more games are cancelled. Of course the Rangers, Leafs, & Habs are going to be reading Bettman the riot act, but the league has 30 teams, many of which make little to no profit.

First of all, the teams make more money than you think. Again, not even Leavit was privy to the actual audited financial statements.

Second of all, the more that gets canceled, the more revenue is lost.

And finally, the amount of damage to an owner once no a single season ticket is going to be felt much more then, than it is today.
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The players can sit out 3 seasons if they want, that just means they won't get paid for 3 seasons and they can never get those years back. When that finally sinks a deal will be signed
That is certainly true. However, do not blatantly ignore what that means to an owner. Let's take a value in the middle, say $200 million. Now, let's take in your 3 year scenario. Imagine being an owner, having a $200m investment, it does not generate a red cent. NOTHING. In fact, all you do have, are fixed costs that you keep paying every year. Must feel good, eh? And to whom, pray tell, are you going to try to sell this investment to? If the league folds, you have now flushed $200 million down the toiled, incurred millions in costs (like rental payments), and have taken a substantial bath.

And if you are a new owner, like the ones in Dallas, Buffalo and Tampa. You have sunk in hundreds of millions, only not to make ANYTHING back and are now stuck with an albatross.

GordonGecko 11-02-2012 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by True Blue (Post 55464151)
First of all, the teams make more money than you think. Again, not even Leavit was privy to the actual audited financial statements.

Second of all, the more that gets canceled, the more revenue is lost.

And finally, the amount of damage to an owner once no a single season ticket is going to be felt much more then, than it is today.

Yeah they do, I've also been saying that for a while. But they want to make more, and they can always make up the lost net profit in future years, whereas the players lose the missing paychecks forever.

The fans will come back, they always do. We're suckers for punishment


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