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palindrom 11-03-2012 07:56 PM

Allen York
 
Considering the acquisition of Bobrovsky (24yo) combined with the drafting of Dansk (32th overall 2012) and Korpisalo (62overall 2012).

And Considering Mason is still under contract and Colombus will probably give him a last shoot (24 yo) next year before deciding of his future with the team.

With so many young goalies, York become a little bit redundant in the Colombus system.

Allen York (23yo) did well last year in the NHL with 11gp .920

So if after the training camp Colombus decide to go with Mason/Bobrovsky would a team be willing to acquire York and maybe give him a shoot?

For let say a 4th or 5th round pick or equivalent prospect ?

I could see Montreal acquiring him and let him play with the bulldog this year. trying to develop him to become Price backup in 1-2 years in the future.

Leafs For Life* 11-03-2012 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by palindrom (Post 55498857)
Considering the acquisition of Bobrovsky (24yo) combined with the drafting of Dansk (32th overall 2012) and Korpisalo (62overall 2012).

And Considering Mason is still under contract and Colombus will probably give him a last shoot (24 yo) next year before deciding of his future with the team.

With so many young goalies, York become a little bit redundant in the Colombus system.

Allen York (23yo) did well last year in the NHL with 11gp .920

So if after the training camp Colombus decide to go with Mason/Bobrovsky would a team be willing to acquire York and maybe give him a shoot?

For let say a 4th or 5th round pick or equivalent prospect ?

I could see Montreal acquiring him and let him play with the bulldog this year. trying to develop him to become Price backup in 1-2 years in the future.

Leafs will take him for a 3rd, which beats your :shakehead offer.

palindrom 11-03-2012 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaffan16 (Post 55499147)
Leafs will take him for a 3rd, which beats your :shakehead offer.

Thats good. Colombus wont complain.

what is the role you would give York in Toronto organisation?

Leafs For Life* 11-03-2012 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by palindrom (Post 55499213)
Thats good. Colombus wont complain.

what is the role you would give York in Toronto organisation?

Well.. if he got a .920 save %, that would tie him for 10th. So backup to Riemer.

palindrom 11-03-2012 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaffan16 (Post 55499259)
Well.. if he got a .920 save %, that would tie him for 10th. So backup to Riemer.

.920% over only 11 games, and he didn't start them all. The sample is so small, his stats are not meaningful.

Leafs For Life* 11-03-2012 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by palindrom (Post 55499295)
.920% over only 11 games, and he didn't start them all. The sample is so small, his stats are not meaningful.

Still, it shows that he can handle it in the NHL. Would probably change the deal to G. Sparks as iirc we are at the roster limit.

EDIT: Why did he do terrible in the AHL/ECHL? Seemed before this year, he was destroying those leagues, and did well in the top league.

palindrom 11-03-2012 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaffan16 (Post 55499395)
Still, it shows that he can handle it in the NHL. Would probably change the deal to G. Sparks as iirc we are at the roster limit.

EDIT: Why did he do terrible in the AHL/ECHL? Seemed before this year, he was destroying those leagues, and did well in the top league.

He didnt do terrible, he only played 9 AHL games and and 11 ECHL games.

His AHL/ECHL stats are as meaningless than his NHL stats.

Scout report will tell you more about him than his stats.

jmart21 11-03-2012 08:22 PM

Why would CLB trade him for a 4th or 5th round pick?

Your post makes it sound as if the blue jackets are saying "we've got Mason/Bob; lets give our goalie prospects away for a bare minimum". Which is irrational. I don't understand why a team would trade a prospect for something that doesn't help them improve. If you don't intend on having a prospect stay in your system and eventually contribute, you use them as a bargaining chip.

palindrom 11-03-2012 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jmart21 (Post 55499697)
Why would CLB trade him for a 4th or 5th round pick?

Your post makes it sound as if the blue jackets are saying "we've got Mason/Bob; lets give our goalie prospects away for a bare minimum". Which is irrational. I don't understand why a team would trade a prospect for something that doesn't help them improve. If you don't intend on having a prospect stay in your system and eventually contribute, you use them as a bargaining chip.

I said 4th/5th round as a reference value. I agree an equivalent prospect would make more sense.

Leafs For Life* 11-03-2012 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by palindrom (Post 55499539)
He didnt do terrible, he only played 9 AHL games and and 11 ECHL games.

His AHL/ECHL stats are as meaningless than his NHL stats.

Scout report will tell you more about him than his stats.

Still, he did well in a short time on a bigger league, and didn't in a worse league. Kinda the opposite of what you would expect.

Hockey's Future
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Talent Analysis
A big goaltender who covers a lot of net and plays well positionally. He has begun to improve his lateral quickness, but there is still much work to be done. He continues to play well under pressure and played well against quality opponents in his limited time with Columbus this season.

Future
York’s final stretch with the Jackets has shown that he can play at an elite level. After being scared back to the minors in the beginning of the year, the sizeable net minder came back with a purpose and finished the year strong. He will fluctuate between the AHL and NHL next year, but should get more playing time on Columbus.
THN
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ASSETS: Has a very good frame for the goaltending position. Can play a lot at lower levels.

FLAWS: Needs to add more bulk and consistency to be a successful 'keeper at the highest level.

CAREER POTENTIAL: Backup goaltender with some upside.

palindrom 11-03-2012 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Leaffan16 (Post 55500015)
Still, he did well in a short time on a bigger league, and didn't in a worse league. Kinda the opposite of what you would expect.

Hockey's Future


THN

he is a product of his team,colombus strong defense improved his stats

Pigs On The Wing 11-03-2012 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by palindrom (Post 55500165)
he is a product of his team,colombus strong defense improved his stats

Strong defense? :shakehead

J. Johnson - Wizniewski
A. Johnson - Lebda
Moore - Savard

That's a strong defense to you? That's what CBJ's defense looked like late last year.

Leafs For Life* 11-03-2012 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Definition (Post 55501229)
Strong defense? :shakehead

J. Johnson - Wizniewski
A. Johnson - Lebda
Moore - Savard

That's a strong defense to you? That's what CBJ's defense looked like late last year.

I know that it's stupid that he is arguing the last place team helped his stats, but that's a good to average defence group. And the 3rd+2nd pair are switched.

Vankiller Whale 11-03-2012 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Definition (Post 55501229)
Strong defense? :shakehead

J. Johnson - Wizniewski
A. Johnson - Lebda
Moore - Savard

That's a strong defense to you? That's what CBJ's defense looked like late last year.

Uh...Nikitin-Tyutin?

palindrom 11-03-2012 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Definition (Post 55501229)
Strong defense? :shakehead

J. Johnson - Wizniewski
A. Johnson - Lebda
Moore - Savard

That's a strong defense to you? That's what CBJ's defense looked like late last year.

i was kidding!

Pigs On The Wing 11-03-2012 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 55501933)
Uh...Nikitin-Tyutin?

Tyutin was injured for all of York's starts late in the season. Nikitin should be there though.

jumptheshark 11-04-2012 01:26 AM

He has shown very little to have much value right now.

Mystlyfe 11-04-2012 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Leaffan16 (Post 55499395)
Still, it shows that he can handle it in the NHL. Would probably change the deal to G. Sparks as iirc we are at the roster limit.

EDIT: Why did he do terrible in the AHL/ECHL? Seemed before this year, he was destroying those leagues, and did well in the top league.

Not enough time for any of those stats to be even close to meaningful.
http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2010/...ess-goaltender

And even beyond that argument, those stats are even less meaningful given the lack of exposure York has had. "The book" on York has yet to be compiled by other teams' scouting departments at the pro level. Let's see if York can adjust once other teams figure out how to approach York.

Shawnathon 11-04-2012 07:51 PM

Anyone who saw York last season knows he's nothing special. He went on a 3 game rookie hot streak. Big deal.

Blackhawkswincup 11-04-2012 07:59 PM

Has no value

Viqsi 11-04-2012 09:02 PM

Why in the world would we want to trade York? He did well by us when we were on national TV, he's still developing, and we still don't know if we have a quality starting goaltender. His NHL stats look good so far, but if he really was that good we'd already be penciling him in as the NHL backup instead of the AHL backup. He needs time, and we intend to give him that. Right now he's AHL fodder (with or without the lockout) while most of our other youngsters are in Europe or the CHL - so there's time available for him to play (he hasn't so far, mostly because he's been injured).

There's absolutely no point in trading him.

Viqsi 11-04-2012 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Definition (Post 55501229)
Strong defense? :shakehead

J. Johnson - Wizniewski
A. Johnson - Lebda
Moore - Savard

That's a strong defense to you? That's what CBJ's defense looked like late last year.

Wisniewski was injured for all but one of the games York played late last year. (He relieved Mason in two and started four.)

Defensemen ordered by average time on ice in those games:
JMFJ (0-2-2 -4 6GP, played four games above 30min)
Nikitin (2-4-6 +2 6GP, played about 24-25 min)
Lebda (0-0-0 +0 6GP, played 17-18 minutes on average)
Savard (0-0-0 +0 3GP, played over 15min per night, then swapped with Prout)
Prout (0-0-0 +0 3GP, had two 14-minute games and played 5 min in the other)
AJohnson (0-2-2 -3 6GP, played as many as 17:28 and as few as 7:35; ATOI around 12 minutes or so.)
Moore (0-0-0 +0 4GP, times went from 10 to 16 to 15 to 11 minutes ;)
Wisniewski (0-0-0 +0 1GP, played 25:55 in his only game during that time)

Basically, Jack was willing so we threw him to the wolves so that Niktin might continue to kick ass. :)

palindrom 11-05-2012 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Viqsi (Post 55530259)
Why in the world would we want to trade York? He did well by us when we were on national TV, he's still developing, and we still don't know if we have a quality starting goaltender. His NHL stats look good so far, but if he really was that good we'd already be penciling him in as the NHL backup instead of the AHL backup. He needs time, and we intend to give him that. Right now he's AHL fodder (with or without the lockout) while most of our other youngsters are in Europe or the CHL - so there's time available for him to play (he hasn't so far, mostly because he's been injured).

There's absolutely no point in trading him.

Then why do everyone say he has no value? (i dont share this opinion)

coldsteelonice84 11-05-2012 09:41 AM

I wish we had York as our backup, major upgrade.

Hawkaholic 11-05-2012 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by coldsteelonice84 (Post 55537975)
I wish we had York as our backup, major upgrade.

Says the guy who thinks Hutton is an upgrade over our back-up.


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