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Vankiller Whale 11-04-2012 04:57 PM

Vancouver-Montreal-Chicago
 
:nucks

Erik Cole
Sebastian Collberg
Montreal 2nd
Dalton Thrower
Ray Emery

:habs

Roberto Luongo
Patrick Kane
Eddie Lack

:hawks

Carey Price
Mason Raymond

Why each team does it:

Vancouver gets a solid veteran winger who will likely have one or two good seasons left to help compete now, as well as getting some good futures(including a BC boy) to help bolster the team in the long run. Eddie Lack is a stud, but he's only two years younger than Schneider. Emery would make a nice backup until Cannata is ready for his chance, and in all likelihood we won't need a replacement for about 10 years, and we'll have plenty of opportunities to draft someone between now and then.

Montreal gets a FRENCH(sort of) goalie, and increases their depth in net(right now I believe they don't have much in net beyond Price). Eddie Lack is a top goaltending prospect, and could very likely take up Luongo's mantle in a couple of years when he retires(and the cap goes back to Vancouver, presumably). More importantly, they get an elite young winger to strengthen their forward group.

Chicago trades an offensively elite but defensively lacklustre winger for an elite goaltender, who would make all the difference to allow the defense to focus more on contributing on offense with the security of an elite goaltender in net to fall back on. They also get a decent winger who could help make up for some of the missing offense and who is also good defensively.

In summation, the way I see the value is:

Price = Kane
Raymond = Emery
Collberg = Lack
Luongo = Cole, 2nd, Thrower

mstad101 11-04-2012 05:04 PM

Is it ok to like this just for being different?

Nice job for trying to be creative

blueberry 11-04-2012 05:04 PM

You.ve gotta be kidding!

IceDaddy 11-04-2012 05:08 PM

so the habs give up

Price
Cole
Thrower
Colberg
2nd

and they get

Roberto Luongo
Patrick Kane
Eddie Lack


No. Just no. Not even close.

Vankiller Whale 11-04-2012 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HabsRock (Post 55522917)
so the habs give up

Price
Cole
Thrower
Colberg
2nd

and they get

Roberto Luongo
Patrick Kane
Eddie Lack


No. Just no. Not even close.

Care to elaborate?

IceDaddy 11-04-2012 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 55523007)
Care to elaborate?


this makes zero sense for the habs.

It makes van better
It makes Chi better


It makes the habs much worse and costs them 2 prospects and a 2nd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 55522583)

Price = Kane
Raymond = Emery
Collberg = Lack
Luongo = Cole, 2nd, Thrower

Incase you were wondering. This one made me laugh pretty hard

Vankiller Whale 11-04-2012 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HabsRock (Post 55523091)
this makes zero sense for the habs.

It makes van better
It makes Chi better


It makes the habs much worse and costs them 2 prospects and a 2nd

You're replacing Cole with Kane and Price with Luongo and Lack as a future replacement.

How does that make you worse?
Quote:

Incase you were wondering. This one made me laugh pretty hard
34 year old 2nd line winger, a 2nd, and a recent 2nd round pick?

Beer Me 11-04-2012 05:17 PM

Montreal won't be competing for the cup for another 5-10 years, so it makes no sense for them to trade for an experienced (aging) goalie (especially if it's a downgrade). Also, Vancouver would want a better piece then Cole if they do trade Luongo, especially if they are giving away Lack too. They want to see what they have in him. Chicago will never trade Kane, although, they might be tempted to for Price... this is how i see it.

y2kcanucks 11-04-2012 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beer Me (Post 55523207)
Montreal won't be competing for the cup for another 5-10 years, so it makes no sense for them to trade for an experienced (aging) goalie (especially if it's a downgrade). Also, Vancouver would want a better piece then Cole if they do trade Luongo, especially if they are giving away Lack too. They want to see what they have in him. Chicago will never trade Kane, although, they might be tempted to for Price... this is how i see it.

I pretty much see it the same way as you. I think Chicago might trade Kane if the right deal came along though, but I'm not sure this is the trade that would go down for other reasons you mention.

BigBenSF* 11-04-2012 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 55523161)
You're replacing Cole with Kane and Price with Luongo and Lack as a future replacement.

How does that make you worse?

Price >> Luongo
Kane > Cole

And they give up prospects and a second.

Montreal won't trade one of their top young players for an aging past-his-prime goalie especially considering that they are going into a rebuild. Montreal getting Schnieder makes more sense but not much more.

Vankiller Whale 11-04-2012 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBenSF (Post 55523319)
Price >> Luongo
Kane > Cole

And they give up prospects and a second.

Montreal won't trade one of their top young players for an aging past-his-prime goalie especially considering that they are going into a rebuild. Montreal getting Schnieder makes more sense but not much more.

:laugh:

So the difference between Price and Luongo(if there even is one, apart from age) is twice as big as the one between Kane and Cole(who have an even bigger age gap)?

Leafs For Life* 11-04-2012 05:24 PM

Easy yes for Vancouver, Easy no for MTL and fair for Chicago.

theboss* 11-04-2012 05:25 PM

Price is going no where. Automatic fail trade proposal

Leafs For Life* 11-04-2012 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 55523379)
:laugh:

So the difference between Price and Luongo(if there even is one, apart from age) is twice as big as the one between Kane and Cole(who have an even bigger age gap)?

Well, on one side MTL would have at least been 2nd last with Luongo instead, and on the other, in the Cup finals vs Boston Vancouver would have won.

Prairie Habs 11-04-2012 05:28 PM

Horrible for Montreal. If we were to ever trade price it wouldn't be for a soft one way winger, especially with attitude issues. People say Kane's attitude issues are overblown but Montreal is the worst place for a player like that because first the media will encourage it and act like he is a god and then turn on him and chase him out of town as soon as he shows a slight dip in play.

Also Cole has more trade value than Luongo IMO. He is coming off a career year with 35G 61P and tons of hits (I forget how many and am too lazy to look it up). Luongo's year last year could just be an off year or it could be the start of him regressing. With that huge contract of his I wouldn't be willing to take that chance (especially with how fragile he is and the ferociousness of our media).

I have huge hopes for Collberg and wouldn't trade him for a goalie that is as old as Price but has never seen NHL action. Adding in the pick and Thrower into the equation is just more reason to say no.

Next time maybe consider some of Montreal's needs.

Prairie Habs 11-04-2012 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 55523379)
:laugh:

So the difference between Price and Luongo(if there even is one, apart from age) is twice as big as the one between Kane and Cole(who have an even bigger age gap)?

Luongo would get shredded by our media. There is zero chance he is coming here even if Carey gets hit by a bus tomorrow.

Vankiller Whale 11-04-2012 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prairie Habs (Post 55523579)
Horrible for Montreal. If we were to ever trade price it wouldn't be for a soft one way winger, especially with attitude issues. People say Kane's attitude issues are overblown but Montreal is the worst place for a player like that because first the media will encourage it and act like he is a god and then turn on him and chase him out of town as soon as he shows a slight dip in play.

I'll let Blackhawks answer questions about his "attitude issues." I don't like the guy, but that's more because of his succes against us than anything tangible.

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Also Cole has more trade value than Luongo IMO. He is coming off a career year with 35G 61P and tons of hits (I forget how many and am too lazy to look it up). Luongo's year last year could just be an off year or it could be the start of him regressing. With that huge contract of his I wouldn't be willing to take that chance (especially with how fragile he is and the ferociousness of our media).
How did Luongo have a down year? This was one of his best years with us. He played excellently. And to say Cole has more value than Luongo seems beyond irrational to me. And do you really think Montreal is so much worse than Vancouver? Luongo is well past the "fragile" stage as you call it; take a look at his twitter feed if you don't believe me. He's become much more open and relaxed ever since last summer.
Quote:

I have huge hopes for Collberg and wouldn't trade him for a goalie that is as old as Price but has never seen NHL action. Adding in the pick and Thrower into the equation is just more reason to say no.
Lack is actually a year younger than Price, and has a much more successfull and established track record than Collberg in the pros.
The reason why he hasn't seen NHL action might have something to do with the two goalies ahead of him on the depth chart.

604 11-04-2012 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBenSF (Post 55523319)
Price >> Luongo

This is such a pile of BS.

Luongo has been better than Price every year that they have been starters.

Prairie Habs 11-04-2012 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 55523797)
I'll let Blackhawks answer questions about his "attitude issues." I don't like the guy, but that's more because of his succes against us.



How did Luongo have a down year? This was one of his best years with us. He played excellently. And to say Cole has more value than Luongo seems beyond irrational to me. And do you really think Montreal is so much worse than Vancouver?


Lack is actually a year younger than Price, and has a much more successfull and established track record in the pros.
The reason why he hasn't seen NHL action might have something to do with the two goalies ahead of him on the depth chart.

I was going to get into an argument with you then I read this line and I realized it is pointless. No, Lack is not more established than Price.

Vankiller Whale 11-04-2012 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prairie Habs (Post 55523917)
I was going to get into an argument with you then I read this line and I realized it is pointless. No, Lack is not more established than Price.

Than Collberg. My bad, wasn't worded properly:facepalm:

IceDaddy 11-04-2012 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 55523797)
I'll let Blackhawks answer questions about his "attitude issues." I don't like the guy, but that's more because of his succes against us than anything tangible.



How did Luongo have a down year? This was one of his best years with us. He played excellently. And to say Cole has more value than Luongo seems beyond irrational to me. And do you really think Montreal is so much worse than Vancouver? Luongo is well past the "fragile" stage as you call it; take a look at his twitter feed if you don't believe me. He's become much more open and relaxed ever since last summer.


Lack is actually a year younger than Price, and has a much more successfull and established track record in the pros.
The reason why he hasn't seen NHL action might have something to do with the two goalies ahead of him on the depth chart.

well for starters he lost his job on a stacked team. I wonder how he would look on the 3rd worst team in the league last year???

Vankiller Whale 11-04-2012 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HabsRock (Post 55524041)
well for starters he lost his job on a stacked team. I wonder how he would look on the 3rd worst team in the league last year???

So I'm guessing you didn't watch him play then? Because he played great that series.(even if you want to discount the rest of the year)

BigBenSF* 11-04-2012 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 55523965)
Than Collberg. My bad, wasn't worded properly:facepalm:

Why would you compare a winger to a goalie?

Vankiller Whale 11-04-2012 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBenSF (Post 55524153)
Why would you compare a winger to a goalie?

Becuase the poster I quoted did.

FanHabtic 11-04-2012 05:50 PM

So the Nucks trade Luongo and get a 30+ goal scorer in Cole and the equivalent of 3 x 2nd round picks?

WTF is wrong with this picture?


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