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Evincar 11-07-2012 08:57 PM

NHL on TSN Quiz: Potential Hall of Fame Inductees For 2013
 
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=409049

Johnny Engine 11-07-2012 09:35 PM

I, for one am shocked that Mike Peca likes Guy Carbonneau so much. What do those guys have in common?

vadim sharifijanov 11-07-2012 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Engine (Post 55612175)
I, for one am shocked that Mike Peca likes Guy Carbonneau so much. What do those guys have in common?

my answer to that question would have been fleury, but i can see the argument for carbonneau. the other two guys took the easy way out and went with housley. mike johnson's argument that when you're top four all time in defenseman points, it doesn't matter if you couldn't play defense or win.

well, the interesting thing to me is carbonneau was just as much of an elite specialist as housley was. top five defensive forward of all time (and housley was only arguably top five offensively). the difference being contribution to winning teams. carbo over housley all day, every day.

Hawkey Town 18 11-07-2012 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by vadim sharifijanov (Post 55613029)
my answer to that question would have been fleury, but i can see the argument for carbonneau. the other two guys took the easy way out and went with housley. mike johnson's argument that when you're top four all time in defenseman points, it doesn't matter if you couldn't play defense or win.

well, the interesting thing to me is carbonneau was just as much of an elite specialist as housley was. top five defensive forward of all time (and housley was only arguably top five offensively). the difference being contribution to winning teams. carbo over housley all day, every day.

There is no argument for Housley being top 5 offensively all-time...just off the top of my head...Bobby Orr, Eddie Shore, Red Kelly, Paul Coffey, Pierre Pilote, Ray Bourque, Al MacInnis, Brian Leetch were all clearly better offensively than Housley

Ohashi_Jouzu 11-07-2012 11:26 PM

I think some facetiousness was missed in JE's post.

Hawkey Town 18 11-07-2012 11:28 PM

Nice to see Makarov getting some recognition

TheDevilMadeMe 11-08-2012 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawkey Town 18 (Post 55614311)
Nice to see Makarov getting some recognition

My thoughts exactly.

I'm actually really surprised (and in a good way) by most of the opinions.

The Housley nonsense is to be expected.

vadim sharifijanov 11-08-2012 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ohashi_Jouzu (Post 55614289)
I think some facetiousness was missed in JE's post.

no, i caught it. not like it wasn't already pointed out in the TSN panel (see the accompanying video on the TSN website).

pdd 11-08-2012 01:08 AM

Why was Fedorov not an option?

TheDevilMadeMe 11-08-2012 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by eva unit zero (Post 55615387)
Why was Fedorov not an option?

Not eligible yet because of his time in the KHL. Wikipedia has Fedorov as still active in 2011-2012.

Ohashi_Jouzu 11-08-2012 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe (Post 55615395)
Not eligible yet because of his time in the KHL. Wikipedia has Fedorov as still active in 2011-2012.

True. Eligible next year as a result.

pdd 11-08-2012 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe (Post 55615395)
Not eligible yet because of his time in the KHL. Wikipedia has Fedorov as still active in 2011-2012.

Yeah I looked it up, it said he played only through 2010... another post in another thread said he was playing last season so I dug deeper and apparently he played last year also.

Hardyvan123 11-08-2012 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawkey Town 18 (Post 55614269)
There is no argument for Housley being top 5 offensively all-time...just off the top of my head...Bobby Orr, Eddie Shore, Red Kelly, Paul Coffey, Pierre Pilote, Ray Bourque, Al MacInnis, Brian Leetch were all clearly better offensively than Housley

Pierre Pilote doesn't belong in this group and the guy was talking about his point totals. Housley wasn't great defensively but he did lead his team in scoring, something some of these guys didn't do, and he hit the ground running, something else most of these guys didn't do either.

Hardyvan123 11-08-2012 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by vadim sharifijanov (Post 55613029)
my answer to that question would have been fleury, but i can see the argument for carbonneau. the other two guys took the easy way out and went with housley. mike johnson's argument that when you're top four all time in defenseman points, it doesn't matter if you couldn't play defense or win.

well, the interesting thing to me is carbonneau was just as much of an elite specialist as housley was. top five defensive forward of all time (and housley was only arguably top five offensively). the difference being contribution to winning teams. carbo over housley all day, every day.

The Hall is more stats driven though and a guy like Carbo won't fare well when there is a guy like Craig Ramsay not in the Hall.

Like it or not Housley's stats and being an American right out of high school are going to give him alot of traction with the committee IMO.

Hawkman 11-08-2012 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Hardyvan123 (Post 55617073)
Pierre Pilote doesn't belong in this group...

Pilote may not belong in that distinguished group offensively, but in terms of all around play he was voted #14 all time by this board and Housley did not even make the top 60.

kmad 11-08-2012 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Hardyvan123 (Post 55617073)
Pierre Pilote doesn't belong in this group and the guy was talking about his point totals. Housley wasn't great defensively but he did lead his team in scoring

He's up there with Paul Reinhart and Dick Tarnstrom!

TheDevilMadeMe 11-08-2012 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by God Made Me (Post 55617393)
Pilote may not belong in that distinguished group offensively, but in terms of all around play he was voted #14 all time by this board and Housley did not even make the top 60.

Pilote absolutely does belong in that group offensively. Look at how he scored compared to his peers

Hawkman 11-08-2012 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe (Post 55618919)
Pilote absolutely does belong in that group offensively. Look at how he scored compared to his peers

Agreed. I was just trying to not be a homer. :)

tony d 11-08-2012 01:15 PM

I'm wondering if Andreychuk makes it in next year. The guy was a good goal scorer during his career, wonder if that'll be enough to get him in the Hall.

Big Phil 11-08-2012 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tony d (Post 55622713)
I'm wondering if Andreychuk makes it in next year. The guy was a good goal scorer during his career, wonder if that'll be enough to get him in the Hall.

I hope not. Man, we'd really be lowering the bar if Andreychuk and Housley get in - anytime. Thankfully they didn't play that long ago so we all remember them. I'm getting nervous about Housley though. It was almost like with Nieuwendyk when he got in. The media clings to a name over and over and everybody repeats it to the point where it sounds right all of the sudden. Housley just might be one of those guys.

If I am picking the 4 names next year it would be Chelios, Niedermayer, Blake and Makarov. The first two will get in for sure. In my mind Blake had every bit as good a career as Niedermayer but no one seems to remember that anymore. I chose Makarov because I'd put him in not because I think the committee will do it.

Lindros is a guy that needs more time to analyze. Honestly, he's a player where we have to sit back and let it simmer for a few years until we either appreciate what he accomplished and forget his drama or not. They HHOF should have done that with Nieuwendyk to be honest.

unknown33 11-08-2012 03:21 PM

Niedermayer
Chelios
Makarov
Lindros

I really don't understand how people question Lindros' worthiness based on what he DID.

MXD 11-08-2012 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by unknown33 (Post 55625967)
Niedermayer
Chelios
Makarov
Lindros

I really don't understand how people question Lindros' worthiness based on what he DID.

Well, he did act like the part of human anatomy which never see the sunlight, which supports his worthiness and materiality to the non-inductees group.

unknown33 11-08-2012 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MXD (Post 55626209)
Well, he did act like the part of human anatomy which never see the sunlight, which supports his worthiness and materiality to the non-inductees group.

I disagree.

In my opinion Lindros doesn't owe anything to the team that drafted him.
As the highest rated talent you shouldn't settle for an less than optimal option.

It's his job, his life and a business afterall.


Besides how can you judge a persons character on one decision he made as an 18-year-old, arguably heavily influnced by his father?
Was it Lindros or his agent a.k.a father that had this idea?

JaymzB 11-08-2012 03:59 PM

If Phil Housley gets into the HHOF before Guy Carbonneau…I’ll just give up with the whole damn thing.

MXD 11-08-2012 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by unknown33 (Post 55626741)
I disagree.

In my opinion Lindros doesn't owe anything to the team that drafted him.
As the highest rated talent you shouldn't settle for an less than optimal option.

It's his job, his life and a business afterall.


Besides how can you judge a persons character on one decision he made as an 18-year-old, arguably heavily influnced by his father?
Was it Lindros or his agent a.k.a father that had this idea?

I think the fact he was 18 has no importance. The guy tried to screw up an NHL institution (the Draft) to his advantage. Borderlines candidates gets rejected on that basis (Tremblay), or gets to wait a REALLY long time (Mark Howe). Lindros is such borderline candidate due to longevity. And the draft thing was no grey zone like Michel Goulet. Besides, the Hall is supposed to consider "values".

Besides, why Crosby reported to Pittsburgh? It was certainly not the optimal setting (it ended up being great, but THE optimal? No).

I can actually see players asking to be removed from the Hall if Lindros gets in.


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