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flameaholic 11-11-2012 01:00 AM

Danny Taylor
 
Just wondering what people thought of him. He's been one of the best goalies in the AHL since last season. Still only 26 years old. Former 7th round pick of the Los Angeles Kings.

Troy G. Ward, Head Coach of the Abbotsford Heat believes Taylor will play in the NHL someday, just might not be with the Flames.

Thoughts? Does Danny Taylor have NHL potential?

Frolov 6'3 11-11-2012 05:50 AM

No.

Inconsistant goalie.

Played one game (read; one period) for the Kings when he was very good in the AHL as well. That year the Kings used 7 goalies and Danny Taylor wasn't NHL ready and I doubt he is now.

TheHudlinator 11-11-2012 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Frolov 6'3 (Post 55684027)
No.

Inconsistant goalie.

Played one game (read; one period) for the Kings when he was very good in the AHL as well. That year the Kings used 7 goalies and Danny Taylor wasn't NHL ready and I doubt he is now.

I disagree, I in no way think he will be a star in the nhl but he could very well be a backup. Just because when he was 21 with a total of 23 ahl games experience he wasn't nhl ready does not mean that now he isn't. There are so few goalies that can make the NHL at 21 so to say that because at 21 he had a bad period in the nhl he will never make the nhl is a bad argument.

Frolov 6'3 11-11-2012 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 55687663)
Just because when he was 21 with a total of 23 ahl games experience he wasn't nhl ready does not mean that now he isn't. There are so few goalies that can make the NHL at 21 so to say that because at 21 he had a bad period in the nhl he will never make the nhl is a bad argument.

Argument ? That was a piece of information.

Inconsistency, age and that good numbers in the AHL mean nothing to me, that's my argument.

Money Baer 11-11-2012 02:13 PM

I think a lot has changed in his game since he was 21. He has way more experience, and might be ready for a shot in a back up role. It's silly to condemn him because of inconsistent play and one bad period 5yrs ago. He has proven to be CONSISTENT with the Heat, and has earned a shot to prove himself at the next level imo.

TheHudlinator 11-11-2012 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Frolov 6'3 (Post 55688793)
Argument ? That was a piece of information.

Inconsistency, age and that good numbers in the AHL mean nothing to me, that's my argument.

Fine its ****** logic.

Since he played in the nhl he has SV of .920 and a GAA of 2.14 in the AHL. How is that inconsistent as I said you logic sucks.

Frolov 6'3 11-11-2012 02:42 PM

I've followed Danny Taylor when he was still a Kings prospect and a little thereafter. He was never labeled as a quality goaltender but surprisingly did very well sometimes. Unfortunately he just lacks potential. That's why he was a late round pick and have yet to do anything in the NHL.

Its not silly to bring up his inconsistent play. Its a fact (check his history) and otherwise it is my opinion. 40 games with a new team in the AHL wont change that either. I dont have anything against Danny.


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Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 55689945)
Fine its ****** logic.

Move this over to the Flames board if nobody is allowed to share a different view. :shakehead

TheHudlinator 11-11-2012 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Frolov 6'3 (Post 55690037)
Move this over to the Flames board if nobody is allowed to share a different view. :shakehead

You can disagree that he would make the nhl that's fine but don't use the fact that because he had 1 bad period at 21 means he can't make it as a point.

Frolov 6'3 11-11-2012 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 55690269)
You can disagree that he would make the nhl that's fine but don't use the fact that because he had 1 bad period at 21 means he can't make it as a point.

For the 2nd time, I didnt use that as argument. I've re-read that comment 12 times now and dont understand why people keep saying this.

The Nuge 11-11-2012 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Frolov 6'3 (Post 55690949)
For the 2nd time, I didnt use that as argument. I've re-read that comment 12 times now and dont understand why people keep saying this.

It's because its the same guy and he's a massive homer.


For the record, he played pretty well from what I've seen... But he's not the first guy to do well in the AHL

TheHudlinator 11-11-2012 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Frolov 6'3 (Post 55690949)
For the 2nd time, I didnt use that as argument. I've re-read that comment 12 times now and dont understand why people keep saying this.

It comes off as saying that because he wasn't ready then and he was good in the ahl then, than because he is good in the ahl now he still isn't ready.

Also he is not inconsistent.

flameaholic 11-11-2012 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 55691487)
Also he is not inconsistent.

Quite the opposite actually. He's been highly consistent since joining the Heat. He's essentially Abbotsford's version of Miikka Kiprusoff.

I'd love to see him get another shot in the NHL someday, and it could come as early as next season (2013-2014).

Walkingthroughforest 11-11-2012 04:08 PM

How many "star" AHL goalies translate that success to the NHL? Goalies like Taylor are a dime a dozen. The Heat have one of the best defenses in the AHL this season.

tony d 11-11-2012 05:29 PM

I doubt he makes it to the NHL now, especially at 26, but given Tim Thomas' path to the NHL don't count him out.

kirant 11-11-2012 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 55689945)
Since he played in the nhl he has SV of .920 and a GAA of 2.14 in the AHL. How is that inconsistent as I said you logic sucks.

Because averages mean nothing on consistency. The average of .918, .919. .920 are the same as .868, .919, and .970. Unfortunately, I don't think there's a standard deviation stat for these sorts of purposes.

That being said, I think Taylor has been outstanding. It has been 5 years since he played for the Kings, and I think 4 since he suited up for the Monarchs. Using data from then is hard. In a similar Flames example, when Giordano left for Russia, we thought it was outrageous to even offer a 1 way contract to him about 5 years ago. How silly we look now. Taylor has proven his point in Abbotsford as a stellar AHL goalie and even looked good behind a mediocre Heat team last year. This year is just a continuation behind a better team.

At this rate, I think he stands a shot at a two way contract and might earn some extra money as a call-up when the regular backup goes down. As a roster regular, I doubt it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he contradicts this and does end up an NHL backup. Goaltender projections are so hard to make.

KingLB 11-11-2012 07:37 PM

Can someone explain why the coach didn't thinks Taylor may break through just not with the Flames (or if thats the OP's words why you think that)?? Seems to me the Flames could soon be in a place where he would get a shot...

SmellOfVictory 11-11-2012 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KingLB (Post 55699355)
Can someone explain why the coach didn't thinks Taylor may break through just not with the Flames (or if thats the OP's words why you think that)?? Seems to me the Flames could soon be in a place where he would get a shot...

Because they've got a substantial number of tenders. Kiprusoff may still be kicking around, Ramo is his expected successor, Irving is the expected backup (lack of playing time on the Heat notwithstanding), and then there are 2-3 kids between the ages of 18 and 21 in Gillies, Brossoit, and Ortio who have, at times, looked like they might end up as NHLers in the next few years. It's the only position in the franchise where I'd say there is a potential backlog.

SauceHockey 11-12-2012 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by KingLB (Post 55699355)
Can someone explain why the coach didn't thinks Taylor may break through just not with the Flames (or if thats the OP's words why you think that)?? Seems to me the Flames could soon be in a place where he would get a shot...

Leland Irving is ahead of Taylor in the depth chart

madmike77 11-12-2012 12:00 PM

He's played very well, but I don't know where he would get a shot.

The Flames have Irving, Ortio and Ramo in the wings. I'm not sure they'd give Taylor a chance.

Hopefully he gets another opportunity to make it in the NHL with someone, even if it's just as a backup.

flameaholic 11-12-2012 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KingLB (Post 55699355)
Can someone explain why the coach didn't thinks Taylor may break through just not with the Flames (or if thats the OP's words why you think that)?? Seems to me the Flames could soon be in a place where he would get a shot...

Because as mentioned, the Flames have a lot of depth at the goaltending position. Behind Kipper we have Karri Ramo (Europe), Leland Irving (AHL), Joni Ortio (Europe), Laurent Brossoit (WHL), and Jon Gillies (NCAA).

Plus Taylor technically isn't a Flames prospect. He's only under contract with the Heat.

madmike77 11-12-2012 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by flameaholic (Post 55712645)
Because as mentioned, the Flames have a lot of depth at the goaltending position. Behind Kipper we have Karri Ramo (Europe), Leland Irving (AHL), Joni Ortio (Europe), Laurent Brossoit (WHL), and Jon Gillies (NCAA).

Plus Taylor technically isn't a Flames prospect. He's only under contract with the Heat.

Yep. The main reason Taylor is getting a chance to shine is Ramo and Ortio are in Europe. And Irving, because he has been in the NHL, would need to pass through waivers if he dresses for more than 25 Heat games - so the Heat can use Irving but not as a number one.

Gillies and Brossoit are both too young for the AHL.

Adirondack Flames 11-12-2012 06:03 PM

I am not sure about Danny Taylor before signing with the Heat, I honestly never heard of him before he signed with us.

But since he signed with Abbotsford he has been pretty consistent game in and game out. In his tenure with Abbotsford he has a mere 4 games where he has allowed more than 3 goals against, and 2 of those were still 30+ save performances.

It is possible his time in the DEL in 2010-11 really matured him as a player. I think he is a longshot to make the NHL at this point, but I definitely would not rule it out either.

Double Dion 11-13-2012 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by omzuJ (Post 55706927)
Leland Irving is ahead of Taylor in the depth chart

No he isn't. Taylor started in the playoffs (so the whole 25 games thing is out the door) and is seeing the heavy lifting this year too. Irving is all but a bust now.

madmike77 11-13-2012 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Double Dion (Post 55730607)
No he isn't. Taylor started in the playoffs (so the whole 25 games thing is out the door) and is seeing the heavy lifting this year too. Irving is all but a bust now.

Irving was fine in the AHL, but was great as the NHL backup last year. He supplanted Karlsson as the backup - whenever the Flames actually planned for the backup to play Irving was called up and Karlsson would sit out.

Taylor was hot during the playoffs so the Heat stuck with him.

Because of his NHL time, Irving can't really play any more without passing through waivers. If the Flames thought he was a bust they'd just let him play in Abbotsford and expose him.

I'd say Irving has yet to meet expectations, but it's too early to say he's a bust. He'd be the NHL backup now if there was actually a season.

rajuabju 11-13-2012 11:34 AM

I dont think Taylor has ever shown he can be a #1 in the NHL.

Might make a decent backup, but thats probably about it.

Mostly, it just depends on what team might need someone like him on their roster. Backups are relatively easy to find.


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