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wings5 11-11-2012 08:42 PM

Easiest league to transition from to AHL
 
Based on the success of prospects in the AHL so far would it be fair to say the ease of transition to AHL goes...

1.NCAA
2.OHL
3.WHL
4.QMJHL
5.USHL

This is from a NA league point of view if you want to include European top leagues they would go likely 1st or 2nd.

Sivek 11-11-2012 08:46 PM

NCAA, primarily because of age of the player.

ottawa 11-11-2012 08:47 PM

Didn't expect to see NCAA at #1...I thought they'd be 3rd behing OHL and WHL because those 2 leagues have some really high end talent and it seems like a lot of current NHLers came from those leagues. Interesting though...what is the success based off

wings5 11-11-2012 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ottawa (Post 55701811)
Didn't expect to see NCAA at #1...I thought they'd be 3rd behing OHL and WHL because those 2 leagues have some really high end talent and it seems like a lot of current NHLers came from those leagues. Interesting though...what is the success based off

Just based on this years rookie success in the AHL, so from NCAA you have Schultz, Nelson, Billins and Jean, 4 from NCAA amongst top 7 in rookie scoring.

jigglysquishy 11-11-2012 09:11 PM

NCAA isn't a fair comparison. You're asking to systematically comparetwenty year olds with twenty two plus year olds.

pigpen65 11-11-2012 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jigglysquishy (Post 55702511)
NCAA isn't a fair comparison. You're asking to systematically comparetwenty year olds with twenty two plus year olds.

-2 for the USHL right?

Xokkeu 11-11-2012 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ottawa (Post 55701811)
Didn't expect to see NCAA at #1...I thought they'd be 3rd behing OHL and WHL because those 2 leagues have some really high end talent and it seems like a lot of current NHLers came from those leagues. Interesting though...what is the success based off

It's a fairly simple equation. The top talent, the super star CHL players, go to the NHL straight away. The ones who stay long enough in the CHL to become AHL eligible usually just aren't very good.

NCAA players meanwhile are playing against full grown men for a year or more and are more prepared for the higher physical level.

Tv9924 11-11-2012 09:32 PM

The NHL

wings5 11-11-2012 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Xokkeu (Post 55702961)
It's a fairly simple equation. The top talent, the super star CHL players, go to the NHL straight away. The ones who stay long enough in the CHL to become AHL eligible usually just aren't very good.

NCAA players meanwhile are playing against full grown men for a year or more and are more prepared for the higher physical level.

I'm sure many would argue that point, so apparently then by that logic players like P.K Subban, Bobby Ryan and David Krejci aren't very good??

Sticks and Pucks 11-11-2012 11:12 PM

I think the thread should be changed to easiest league for 20-year-olds to transition from to AHL. It would be a more fair comparison that way. If we were to compare 20-year-olds, I would say it would go

1. OHL
2. WHL
3. NCAA
4. QMJHL
5. USHL

The OHL, WHL, and NCAA are well-rounded leagues but I don't think the NCAA prepares one for the grind of an 82-game schedule. The QMJHL players generally have a harder time transitioning as many of the players in that league can succeed without a really good defensive game so it is harder for them when they make it to the pros and are no longer the superstar player on the team and the coach asks them to take on a defensive role.

Sojourn 11-12-2012 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xokkeu (Post 55702961)
It's a fairly simple equation. The top talent, the super star CHL players, go to the NHL straight away. The ones who stay long enough in the CHL to become AHL eligible usually just aren't very good.

NCAA players meanwhile are playing against full grown men for a year or more and are more prepared for the higher physical level.

I guess that, by your definition, Corey Perry and Ryan Getzlaf "just aren't very good" then.

Bernier the Boats 11-12-2012 03:17 AM

I would say SEL.

The Zetterberg Era 11-12-2012 04:27 AM

Most the guys that come from the NCAA are over 20. That or pulled out early because they are special talents. The big thing with a lot of the NCAA guys is the schedule isn't great but for the most part they are very well rounded players. The problem you see with a lot of major junior players is they have areas of significant weakness that never needed to be addressed before the pro stage. Through all the practice time and shorter schedule I think the NCAA does a slightly better job at this but it is hard to rank them not on the same level as the OHL or CHL.

As far as Europe, my opinion is it would be easiest for the SM-Liiga guys from Finland. They play on a similar ice surface in a similar playing style.

Leehh 11-12-2012 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sojourn (Post 55706701)
I guess that, by your definition, Corey Perry and Ryan Getzlaf "just aren't very good" then.

Yes they both way too slow and can't skate to make it big in the NHL. :sarcasm:

Leehh 11-12-2012 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BBurke (Post 55707923)
I would say SEL.

I believe E Karlsson said that FEL is a lot competitive league compared to SEL and reminds him more from the NHL.

gifted88 11-12-2012 09:14 AM

As the OP said excluding Euro leagues I'd say:

NCAA
OHL
WHL
QMJHL
USHL

Obviously older players will be more physically mature and will have better success. Then not a very big difference between the CHL leagues imo.

WildcatMapleLeafs28 11-12-2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by gifted88 (Post 55709251)
As the OP said excluding Euro leagues I'd say:

NCAA
OHL
WHL
QMJHL
USHL

Obviously older players will be more physically mature and will have better success. Then not a very big difference between the CHL leagues imo.

If you were to base it on players currently playing in the AHL, you'd be surprised by how many QMJHLs there are.

gifted88 11-12-2012 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildcatMapleLeafs28 (Post 55710907)
If you were to base it on players currently playing in the AHL, you'd be surprised by how many QMJHLs there are.

Let me fix that.

1. NCAA
2. CHL
3. USHL

I've been following a few Q players in the AHL closely (Palat, JAM, Phillips...etc). So I totally agree with you.

tony d 11-12-2012 04:14 PM

1) ohl
2) whl
3) ncaa
4) qmjhl
5) ushl

S E P H 11-12-2012 04:24 PM

Excluding Europe, it's gotta be NCAA.

You get more practice time to improve in all areas of the game.
Get more time do off-ice training.
Get more time in maturing as a player.

So you see a lot more 2-way, stronger, NHL ready players coming out of college.

Also OHL probably has more talent than the dub, but in WHL you need to be physical and mentally stronger to compete than the OHL. IMO.

Shanahanigans 11-12-2012 04:24 PM

Not an option, but FWIW Jordan Eberle said on Bob Stauffer's show last week, that he found transitioning from the WHL to the NHL easier than going from the NHL to the AHL (Eberle has 12 points in 12 GP at the AHL so he's not lighting the world on fire but he's doing fine.)

wings5 11-12-2012 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gifted88 (Post 55709251)
As the OP said excluding Euro leagues I'd say:

NCAA
OHL
WHL
QMJHL
USHL

Obviously older players will be more physically mature and will have better success. Then not a very big difference between the CHL leagues imo.

I don't know the Q players seem to be adjusting much slower than the other leagues. Galiev, Jurco Phillips etc have been slow out of the gate.

vippe 11-13-2012 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Leehh (Post 55708315)
I believe E Karlsson said that FEL is a lot competitive league compared to SEL and reminds him more from the NHL.

I agree with this. The style of play in the SM-Liiga is a lot more like the AHL/NHL than the SEL. I actually think going from the SEL to any league in North America and vice versa is quite difficult for many

joe89 11-13-2012 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vippe (Post 55730519)
I agree with this. The style of play in the SM-Liiga is a lot more like the AHL/NHL than the SEL. I actually think going from the SEL to any league in North America and vice versa is quite difficult for many

Yes, although "competitive" is not the word I'd use. The SEL is a highly competitive league of parity where you have to work harder for scoring chances compared to most other leagues I know, even against the "bad" teams. But it's not the energetic hockey you will see in NA, the emphasis on hard work lies in the neutral and defensive zone mainly. It's the polar opposite of the AHL game pretty much, but has proved to be a good league to take the step into the NHL right away over the years. In many cases, I think going from SEL to NHL is easier than SEL to AHL.

TS Quint 11-13-2012 01:56 PM

Aren't there other factors that go into how well a player tansitions from an European Pro league? Like Pay. From what I hear from players the Liiga is more North American style due to size of the rink. But the SEL probably has more players that transfer better to the NHL partly because the SEL pays more. I'm not sure on this as I don't watch Euro hockey but does it have any truth? The KHL is a whole other ball of wax with the most money but low on work eithic.


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