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Qward 11-12-2012 09:02 PM

Defensive help to Ottawa
 
Jared Cowen is undergoing surgery this week that may be season ending.

Gonchar has commented that if the new CBA is reduces contracts that he may stay in Russia.

If these two scenarios play out and hockey begins in December, Ottawa will need some help on D.

Based on those two situations their D would look as follows,

Methot / Karlsson
XXX / XXX
Phillips / Lundin


Patrick Weircioch may be capable of taking a bottom six spot and Cody Ceci is not ready yet.

Looking for a young defenceman with top 4 potential that will fit into Ottawas system for the next 4-5 years.

Who do you have that can work in a top 4 spot and what would you like in return?


Ideas. Tim Erixon, Gormley, Rundblad, Edler, Hjalmarsson

Exit Dose 11-12-2012 09:07 PM

While Columbus could afford to lose Erixon, I just don't see them willing to do that at this point.

Vankiller Whale 11-12-2012 09:09 PM

It wouldn't be worth it to us to trade Edler unless it makes us a better team now, and I don't know that Ottawa has the expendable pieces to do that.

Qward 11-12-2012 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 55723947)
It wouldn't be worth it to us to trade Edler unless it makes us a better team now, and I don't know that Ottawa has the expendable pieces to do that.

There are very few players I would put on a "will not trade them" list.
Karlsson, Spezza, Alfy.

Vankiller Whale 11-12-2012 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qward (Post 55724025)
There are very few players I would put on a "will not trade them" list.
Karlsson, Spezza, Alfy.

We'd need to have an Edler-calibre player up front, and Michalek isn't enough to merit moving him, imo. Maybe if we got a defenseman from somewhere else it could happen, but otherwise I don't think it would work.

Zippy316 11-12-2012 09:21 PM

What would you pay for Henrik Tallinder?

Devils would be looking for a young NHL ready forward....Colin Greening?

Qward 11-12-2012 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zippy316 (Post 55724389)
What would you pay for Henrik Tallinder?

Devils would be looking for a young NHL ready forward....Colin Greening?

What specifically are your needs? We have a plethora of bottom six forwards with different skill sets.
Depending on need Condra or O'brien may be a better fit for you.

BigZKingK 11-12-2012 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zippy316 (Post 55724389)
What would you pay for Henrik Tallinder?

Devils would be looking for a young NHL ready forward....Colin Greening?

i would probably do that whats Tallinder contract situation?

Zippy316 11-12-2012 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qward (Post 55724511)
What specifically are your needs? We have a plethora of bottom six forwards with different skill sets.
Depending on need Condra or O'brien may be a better fit for you.

We have two spots, one in our top six and one on our third line. Ideally, we won't promote one of the fourth liners, and we have Tedenby, Butler, Parse, and some longshots fighting for two of those spots. We need a guy that will be able to play sound third line minutes but hopefully he can be a top-six guy, Greening is our best bet.
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigZKingK (Post 55724679)
i would probably do that whats Tallinder contract situation?

3.375 expires after the 2013-2014 season. So he's a UFA next off season. His value is a bit questionable amongst many, but I personally think his value is probably Greening and a third, or a pick around there. With what second pairing defenseman have been traded for recently (Zidlicky, Quincey, Gill, Oduya), it's pretty fair for market value. Arguably a second would be more like market value.

ottawa 11-12-2012 09:44 PM

Would you guys be interested in Raphael Diaz...26 year old who had his rookie season last year. Not bad defensively but not good yet (probs average) and can contribute offensively, will only get better with time but keep in mind he entered the NHL at an older age than usual. He's been used as a 3rd pairing and sometimes 2nd

stempniaksen 11-12-2012 09:59 PM

I don't think Ottawa is in a great position to give up any NHL talent, but they do have one of the deeper prospect pools in the league, and some of those pieces could be used as trade bait.

ReginKarlssonLehner 11-12-2012 10:04 PM

We would be looking for a top 4 defender.

mytor4* 11-12-2012 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ottawa (Post 55725117)
Would you guys be interested in Raphael Diaz...26 year old who had his rookie season last year. Not bad defensively but not good yet (probs average) and can contribute offensively, will only get better with time but keep in mind he entered the NHL at an older age than usual. He's been used as a 3rd pairing and sometimes 2nd

Rather we keep Diaz.They can have Weber.

81 11-12-2012 10:48 PM

Komisarek for Latendresse :naughty:

MAK19 11-12-2012 11:10 PM

Heck no to Tallinder and Komisarek.

Diaz I would take but not give up much of anything for him.

Yes to Edler, but paying the price of a rental, not Michalek:shakehead

Yes to Erixon

Hells yes to Gormley

Tony Clifton Leaf 11-12-2012 11:17 PM

Cody Franson for Peter Regin + Ottawa 2nd/3rd round pick 2013

MAK19 11-12-2012 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobloblawLeaf (Post 55727697)
Cody Franson for Peter Regin + Ottawa 2nd/3rd round pick 2013

:shakehead

7th D-man for awesome 3rd line centre + 2nd rounder


Get real

Huffer 11-12-2012 11:20 PM

Long term or short term?

If there is a season and depending on how the Jets came out of the gate a guy like Ron Hainsey might be available.

MAK19 11-12-2012 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huffer (Post 55727779)
Long term or short term?

If there is a season and depending on how the Jets came out of the gate a guy like Ron Hainsey might be available.

Ottawa isn't in a position to pay assets for a guy like that...

Sign these types of players in free agency... but trading young assets for them is a horrible idea at this point in time.

LatvianTwist 11-12-2012 11:23 PM

Short term, Robidas should be available.

Disclose 11-12-2012 11:30 PM

i would want Ottawa to go after Mark Streit. but could be get via UFA at the end of the year, so I wouldnt trade anything
'too big" for him.
If it comes for cheap with stipulations, if he signs, i wouldnt mind making a pitch to NYI... assuming there's a season.

ginovegas 11-12-2012 11:31 PM

Habs have a few they can spare

kaberle
Diaz
Webber

Nikita Filatov 11-12-2012 11:40 PM

As long as it's an equal talent coming back at forward(so not a quantity for quality deal), I could see another forward-defenseman swap go on between us. Savard is probably looking the most expendable at this point but I could see any one of Moore/Erixon/Savard/Goloubef/Prout moved if the deal is right, but with the way Springfield is playing defense makes me want to see a couple of those guys up in Columbus rather than somewhere else.

wubwubwubwub 11-13-2012 12:57 AM

I doubt the Sens would give up anything more than a 3rd or middling prospect for defensive help. As in, no one that would play top 4 (or should play top 4). Even that, I doubt we make a move. We have Karlsson, Methot and Phillips who would be able to play top 4... also there is no way Gonchar is allowed to remain in Russia so him too. Then we have Lundin, Benoit, Weircioch, Boro, Gryba and Eckford, all of whom I feel comfortable with in 6-7 roles... maybe one guy steps up to be a good #5.

Basically, there is no need for us to trade Greening or even O'Brien or Condra to shore up the D. Unless we make a move for a long-term top 4 I have no real interest. If we could get Hjalmarsson for a 2nd I'd do that, I'd add in a bottom 6 fwd if need be, but really that's about it. In a shortened season you just rely on the sum of the parts.

Ricky Bobby 11-13-2012 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MandyAlwaysKnows (Post 55727745)
:shakehead

7th D-man for awesome 3rd line centre + 2nd rounder


Get real

Awesome 3rd line center?

Are we talking about the same Regin who has chronic shoulder issues, is below average in the faceoff circle, doesn't play physical/big, has very limited offensive upside, has never been used as a regular PKer and overall is to easy of a player to play against?


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