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DaveG 11-13-2012 03:11 PM

Canes Keeper League: To Reboot, or Not To Reboot
 
The keeper league here has been pretty successful the past few seasons, but with that said I get the impression that the longer this lockout goes on the higher chance we have for a huge amount of GM turnover. So that leads the question, do we reboot, starting from scratch, or do we keep on keeping on just tweak the rules on prospect rights and number of keeper players as well as trying to figure out how to make a more competitive points system?

Gotta Catch Em Staal 11-13-2012 03:18 PM

I think we should use the rosters that were autodrafted a few weeks ago, because I have Sidney Crosby, Brad Richards, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Gabriel Landeskog, Alex Burrows, Jarome Iginla, Nail Yakupov, Erik Karlsson, Duncan Keith, Tyler Myers, Paul Stastny, Jonathan Huberdeau, Marian Gaborik, Mikko Koivu, Pekka Rinne and Jimmy Howard.

DaveG 11-13-2012 03:22 PM

lol you wish

Stephen Goalbert 11-13-2012 03:42 PM

Reboot.

Carolinas Identity 11-13-2012 03:44 PM

If it's a full Reboot, I'd be interested in joining if there're open spots?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1q3swzXqJ0...BootLogoHQ.png

Yes We Cam 11-13-2012 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jussi Trollinen (Post 55741585)
If it's a full Reboot, I'd be interested in joining if there're open spots?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1q3swzXqJ0...BootLogoHQ.png

This.

Caniac125330 11-13-2012 05:21 PM

I want in if you reboot.

geehaad 11-13-2012 05:28 PM

I'm still in, but what's the difference between "reboot" and "start from scratch"?

DaveG 11-13-2012 05:32 PM

There isn't. It's basically two options. We reboot (IE: start everything from scratch) or we tweak what we have going now. Punctuation's never been my strong point.

geehaad 11-13-2012 05:40 PM

Roger that.

I'd rather not start from scratch.

bilpeto 11-13-2012 06:01 PM

I'd join if you started it over, depending on the settings you guys would end up using...

bleedgreen 11-13-2012 06:16 PM

id prefer the idea of keeping only 5 or 6. thats a long time of roster development to just toss away. newbies inherit a roster that has to have 5/6 worth keeping plus the biggest draft we've had since the first.

La Huracanista 11-13-2012 10:29 PM

I would like a reboot because I think that it would make for an incredibly fun draft.

I would kind of like to build a franchise team, but honestly starting from scratch sounds more fun.

SkinnerStaal 11-14-2012 12:28 AM

I am interested in joining...let me know if any spots are open and I'll keep my eyes open as well.

faulkingdynamic 11-14-2012 12:37 PM

If we end up with mostly new owners im okay with a reboot. Otherwise i like what Bleedgreen offered up, keeping 5 or 6.

WhiteTrashAmerican 11-14-2012 01:28 PM

I'd be down to join if there is a reboot.

La Huracanista 11-14-2012 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faulkingdynamic (Post 55762507)
If we end up with mostly new owners im okay with a reboot. Otherwise i like what Bleedgreen offered up, keeping 5 or 6.

Yes, if we continue with the league as it is then I'm for those changes.

Stephen Goalbert 11-14-2012 04:04 PM

Yeah keepers definitely need to be lessened.

bilpeto 11-15-2012 12:20 AM

I have an idea that doesn't have keepers whatsoever based on the nature of it.


Run two leagues to start, both with an equal number of teams.

After the first year, create two new leagues. In one league, throw the top half of teams based on performance from each initial league. Put the rest in the second league.


Run through the season and do a relegation/promotion style. Say...the top two teams from the lower league replace the bottom two teams from the higher league in the following year.


Repeat each year.


The main reason behind this is because I see a lot of extra people who seem interested (myself included) beyond just those already in the HF league. Doing this would probably keep the interest up and prevent people from ignoring their teams.



Yes/No? Should we just keep two separate leagues with keepers?

Anton Dubinchuk 11-15-2012 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PublicEnemy (Post 55778021)
I have an idea that doesn't have keepers whatsoever based on the nature of it.


Run two leagues to start, both with an equal number of teams.

After the first year, create two new leagues. In one league, throw the top half of teams based on performance from each initial league. Put the rest in the second league.


Run through the season and do a relegation/promotion style. Say...the top two teams from the lower league replace the bottom two teams from the higher league in the following year.


Repeat each year.


The main reason behind this is because I see a lot of extra people who seem interested (myself included) beyond just those already in the HF league. Doing this would probably keep the interest up and prevent people from ignoring their teams.



Yes/No? Should we just keep two separate leagues with keepers?

You'll end up with two of the same player in each league. You'd have to draft all together, THEN separate into leagues. Otherwise, each player will be on two teams, which have the potential to be in the same league.

bilpeto 11-15-2012 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anton Dubinchuk (Post 55781653)
You'll end up with two of the same player in each league. You'd have to draft all together, THEN separate into leagues. Otherwise, each player will be on two teams, which have the potential to be in the same league.

I guess I wasn't too clear on that. You'd re-draft every year, and have no keepers whatsoever. So after the relegation/promotion concluded the previous year, there would be a new draft among the players in each league.


It's not the rosters of the best teams in the worst league that are being promoted, but rather the fantasy GM that's being promoted.


That's the only annoying part...re-drafting for each year.

bleedgreen 11-15-2012 12:57 PM

I think we've got a pretty good thing going so I'm struggling with the concept of a lot of change. Changing the league we had to a keeper league of 5/6 with some minor scoring tweaks would be a HUGE change to what we've been doing. I was ok with it so we could help some of the lower end teams, some of which had inherited poor clubs. I just think what we had generally works. Before we start going down these paths shouldn't we confirm who's in or out prior to re arranging everything? We may not need to do all this. I guess if we had to totally reboot from scratch due to half the league folding I wouldn't stand in the way but I'd be annoyed after years of working my team and all the trades I did trying to set myself up for the future. If we are talking all this just to replace one or two people can't we do that without all this fuss? Lets figure how many we need to replace first. Obviously there's some interest for new gms.

DaveG 11-15-2012 01:12 PM

Yeah that's one of the things I was hoping this thread would generate a bit more discussion from, some of the GMs that may or may not be returning. Obviously I know us two, Dale, Geehaad, and La Hurricanista are onboard. And Vagrant's almost certainly back as well, so that's a solid core of the returning GMs.

Actually looking at the yahoo site, looks like EVERYONE's back with a couple that didn't register yet. I know the draft has supposedly taken place already but that's easy enough to fix.

I'm OK with lessening the amount of keepers balanced with tweaking the keeper rule on prospects (say til say age 23 or by 4 seasons played, whichever comes first). And tweaking the scoring so that a team that a team that squeaks by one category doesn't get the same credit as another team outright dominating another. So going back to points based, just a more balanced version of it.

Tank King Jimmy 11-15-2012 01:20 PM

I'd rather not re-boot it, but I would still stick around if we did. I also like the idea of less keepers per team, and tweaking the scoring a bit.

Aussie Hurricane 11-15-2012 04:39 PM

I like the idea of fewer keepers and slight scoring tweaks. Rebooting would kill any work done to build for the future like bleedgreen said.


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