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ZARTONK 11-15-2012 01:59 AM

Greatest _____ to play the game
 
What would a list of the greates players from each country look like?

Some countries have had hundreds of players, some only a handfull...

Also for the sake of this thread lets consider ussr born players as russian

ToneBone03 11-15-2012 02:14 AM

Canada: Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr, Messier, Dionne, Bourque, Francis, Howe, Esposito, Yzerman, Sakic, Potvin, Roy, Brodeur, etc. etc. etc.

USA: Leetch, Hull, Modano, Roenick, Housley, LaFontaine, Mullen, Tkachuk, Weight, Richter, Chelios

Russia: Kharlamov, Fedorov, Larionov, Bure, Mogilny, Kovalev, Makarov, Krutov, Fetisov, Tretiak

Sweden: Lidstrom, Sundin, Forsberg, Alfredsson

Finland: Selanne, Kurri, Koivu

Czech Republic: Jagr, Hasek

Slovakia: Stastny, Stastny, Chara, Hossa

Bure All Day 11-15-2012 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToneBone03 (Post 55779959)
Canada: Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr, Messier, Dionne, Bourque, Francis, Howe, Esposito, Yzerman, Sakic, Potvin, Roy, Brodeur, etc. etc. etc.

USA: Leetch, Hull, Modano, Roenick, Housley, LaFontaine, Mullen, Tkachuk, Weight, Richter, Chelios

Russia: Fedorov, Larionov, Mogilny, Kovalev, Makarov, Krutov, Fetisov, Tretiak

Sweden: Lidstrom, Sundin, Forsberg, Alfredsson

Finland: Selanne, Kurri, Koivu

Czech Republic: Jagr, Hasek

Slovakia: Stastny, Stastny, Chara, Hossa

Other than the fact you ignore a lot of current players, this about does it

DKQ 11-15-2012 02:29 AM

Canada: Gretzky (HM to Orr, Lemieux, Howe)
USA: Hull (HM to Modano, Chelios)
Russia: Kharlamov (HM to Tretiak, Fetisov)
Sweden: Lidstrom (HM to Salming, Forsberg)
Finland: Kurri (HM to Selanne, Numminen)
Czech: Hasek (HM to Jagr)
Slovakia: Mikita (if he counts); otherwise Stastny (HM to Chara, Bondra)
Slovenia: Kopitar
Germany: Ball
Austria: Vanek
Switzlerand: Streit

NJDevils7 11-15-2012 05:25 AM

Lithuania: Dainius Zubrus

Harry Waters 11-15-2012 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DropkickQuinn (Post 55780113)
Canada: Gretzky (HM to Orr, Lemieux, Howe)
USA: Hull (HM to Modano, Chelios)
Russia: Kharlamov (HM to Tretiak, Fetisov)
Sweden: Lidstrom (HM to Salming, Forsberg)
Finland: Kurri (HM to Selanne, Numminen)
Czech: Hasek (HM to Jagr)
Slovakia: Mikita (if he counts); otherwise Stastny (HM to Chara, Bondra)
Slovenia: Kopitar
Germany: Ball
Austria: Vanek
Switzlerand: Streit

Edit: Now I get it, totally forgot about Rudi Ball. But for Germany it has to be Kühnhackl. He has been voted as "German player of the century". His stats are excellent on every level, national league, international.

Puhis 11-15-2012 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DropkickQuinn (Post 55780113)
Canada: Gretzky (HM to Orr, Lemieux, Howe)
USA: Hull (HM to Modano, Chelios)
Russia: Kharlamov (HM to Tretiak, Fetisov)
Sweden: Lidstrom (HM to Salming, Forsberg)
Finland: Kurri (HM to Selanne, Numminen)
Czech: Hasek (HM to Jagr)
Slovakia: Mikita (if he counts); otherwise Stastny (HM to Chara, Bondra)
Slovenia: Kopitar
Germany: Ball
Austria: Vanek
Switzlerand: Streit

I'd maybe change Finland to Selänne, and HM to Kurri and Lehtinen. Otherwise you're spot on.

Pajicz 11-15-2012 07:00 AM

Poland: Czerkawski
Japan: Fukufuji
Kazakstan: Antropov
Ukraine: Fedotenko
Norway: Knutsen
Latvia: Irbe

bigbuffalo313 11-15-2012 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToneBone03 (Post 55779959)
Canada: Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr, Messier, Dionne, Bourque, Francis, Howe, Esposito, Yzerman, Sakic, Potvin, Roy, Brodeur, etc. etc. etc.

USA: Leetch, Hull, Modano, Roenick, Housley, LaFontaine, Mullen, Tkachuk, Weight, Richter, Chelios

Russia: Fedorov, Larionov, Mogilny, Kovalev, Makarov, Krutov, Fetisov, Tretiak

Sweden: Lidstrom, Sundin, Forsberg, Alfredsson

Finland: Selanne, Kurri, Koivu

Czech Republic: Jagr, Hasek

Slovakia: Stastny, Stastny, Chara, Hossa

No Bure?

ZARTONK 11-15-2012 07:58 AM

France: huet

gifted88 11-15-2012 08:26 AM

England: Hand

Vankiller Whale 11-15-2012 08:36 AM

Japan: Tsujimoto:sarcasm:

BeastoftheEast85 11-15-2012 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbuffalo313 (Post 55781389)
No Bure?

Maybe greatest Russian players in NHL history, but Bure isn't even top 10 as far as Russian players all time go.

lazerbullet 11-15-2012 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToneBone03 (Post 55779959)
Canada: Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr, Messier, Dionne, Bourque, Francis, Howe, Esposito, Yzerman, Sakic, Potvin, Roy, Brodeur, etc. etc. etc.

USA: Leetch, Hull, Modano, Roenick, Housley, LaFontaine, Mullen, Tkachuk, Weight, Richter, Chelios

Russia: Fedorov, Larionov, Mogilny, Kovalev, Makarov, Krutov, Fetisov, Tretiak

Sweden: Lidstrom, Sundin, Forsberg, Alfredsson

Finland: Selanne, Kurri, Koivu

Czech Republic: Jagr, Hasek

Slovakia: Stastny, Stastny, Chara, Hossa

LOL. There are several better Russians who are playing right now. Not to mention some of the other all-time greats.

tony d 11-15-2012 08:48 AM

Top 10 from Canada:

1) Orr
2) Gretzky
3) Lemieux
4) Howe
5) Beliveau
6) Harvey
7) Hull
8) Esposito
9) Richard
10) Potvin

lazerbullet 11-15-2012 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeastoftheEast85 (Post 55781903)
Maybe greatest Russian players in NHL history, but Bure isn't even top 10 as far as Russian players all time go.

So you mean none of the players in the past 20 years are good enough to crack top10 Russians of all-time? Not counting KLM guys.

I find it hard to believe. Could you name your top 10 Russian players?

EDIT:

To add to my point. Compare Kharlamov and Malkin.

Kharlamov was twice Soviet MVP: 1972, 1973
Led Soviet League in scoring once: 1972
Led Soviet League in goals once: 1971
Named best forward at World Championships: 1976

This is all against only Soviet or European competition.

Malkin:

NHL MVP: 2012 (+ 2009 2nd in Hart and a Conn Smyth)
Led the league in scoring: 2009, 2012
Named best forward at World Championships: 2012

That's a very similar resume. Only difference is that Malkin achieved all this against the toughest competition in world. While Kharlamov did not.

Frankly, it's pretty difficult to find hard evidence that Kharlamov was clearly better than Malkin. And Kharlamov is widely considered as the best Russian forward of all time. And at worst third best player behind Fetisov and Tretiak. So I find hard to believe that there are a bunch of old Soviet players with better resumes than Malkin.

MrFunnyWobbl 11-15-2012 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 55781859)
Japan: Tsujimoto:sarcasm:

This. If he came over he would've made gretzky look silly.

Hawkey Town 18 11-15-2012 10:24 AM

Here's my best all-time from each country with 2 HM's in parenthesis. Went by where each player was trained not born (i.e. Hull is Canadian not American, Mikita is Canadian, not Slovak, etc.)

Canada: Gretzky (Orr, Howe)
USA: Chelios (Brimsek, Leetch)
Russia: Fetisov (Tretiak, Makarov)
Sweden: Lidstrom (Forsberg, Salming/Sundin)
Czech Republic: Hasek (Jagr, Suchy)
Slovakia: Peter Stastny (Chara, Hossa)
Finland: Selanne (Kurri, Kiprusoff)

Frankie Spankie 11-15-2012 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gifted88 (Post 55781763)
England: Hand

Who? I'd say Byron Dafoe.

Ireland: Owen Nolan

AfroJak 11-15-2012 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie Spankie (Post 55783465)
Who? I'd say Byron Dafoe.

Ireland: Owen Nolan

Tony Hand, former Oilers prospect during the Gretky days.

Sather said "At the training camp I could see that he had a great ability to read the ice and he was the smartest player there other than Wayne Gretzky"

Ceremony 11-15-2012 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pajicz (Post 55781293)
Poland: Czerkawski
Japan: Fukufuji
Kazakstan: Antropov
Ukraine: Fedotenko
Norway: Knutsen
Latvia: Irbe

Latvia: Ozolinsh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie Spankie (Post 55783465)
Who? I'd say Byron Dafoe.

Ireland: Owen Nolan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Hand

Indeed, Sather also says "At the training camp I could see that he had a great ability to read the ice and he was the smartest player there other than Wayne Gretzky. he skated well: his intelligence on the ice stood out. he was a real prospect."

Also, Nolan is from Northern Ireland. He's British (aside from being Canadian, but by birth he is).

darglor 11-15-2012 01:14 PM

France: Paul MacLean (I think almost PPG beats out Huet...)
Lithuania: Zubrus? Kasparitis?
Poland: Wolski? Czerkawski?
Taiwan: Langway
Brazil: Regehr
Italy: Sbisa?
South Africa: Kolzig

... I can't think of any other weird ones.

digdug41982 11-15-2012 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceremony (Post 55785179)
Latvia: Ozolinsh

That was the one that I debating when I saw the title, Ozolinsh or Irbe?

Silence Of The Plams 11-15-2012 01:24 PM

You guys think that Gil Perreault or Paul Coffey could be in a mix a bit?

Puckie09 11-15-2012 01:26 PM

Brunei - Craig Adams


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