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AmericanDream 11-16-2012 12:05 PM

OHL vs WHL vs QMJHL ...right now!
 
since this year has been a lockout year, all three CHL leagues have benefited by having a bit more extra talent lying around then normal.

so I thought it would be fun if we could kind of do an all-star matchup and list the top 20 or so players from the OHL, WHL, and QMJHL right now (no matter age) and see which league right now is the most stacked with talent.

you only need to make a roster for one league if you want, focus on the league you know best, but I would like to see what the consensus will be as to which CHL league (OHL, WHL, or QMJHL) has the most overall talent playing in it right now!!

I will update the roster section of the 3 different leagues once we get a majority of players voted on and then we will do a battle royal to see who wins...

so let the battle begin!!

AmericanDream 11-16-2012 12:05 PM

OHL ALL-Stars


Defense
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.


Offense
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.

Goalies

1.
2.
3.

AmericanDream 11-16-2012 12:06 PM

WHL ALL-Stars


Defense
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.


Offense
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.

Goalies
1.
2.
3.

AmericanDream 11-16-2012 12:07 PM

QMJHL All-Stars


Defense
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.


Offense
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.


Goalies
1.
2.
3.

bruinsfan46 11-16-2012 12:11 PM

Puempel - Strome - Ritchie
Galchenyuk - Scheifele - Griffith
Graovac - Monahan - Trocheck
Camara - Jenner - Wilson
Catenacci

Percy - Hamilton
Harrington - Corrado
Ceci - Murphy
Finn

Subban
Gibson

I think they win pretty handily. QMJHL has a very weak defense right now and the WHL doesn't quite have the high end forwards. OHL has great defense, very deep forwards and probably the two best goalies in the country (should start for the Canada and US respectively).

AmericanDream 11-16-2012 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruinsfan46 (Post 55810347)
Puempel - Strome - Ritchie
Galchenyuk - Scheifele - Griffith
Graovac - Monahan - Trocheck
Camara - Jenner - Wilson

Percy - Hamilton
Harrington - Corrado
Ceci - Murphy

Subban
Gibson

yipes that was fast...like you already had a list made!!

bsmith14 11-16-2012 12:16 PM

Ill take a stab at Team WHL

Goalies:

1. Brossoit
2. Carruth
3. Comrie

Defence:

1. Rielly
2. Murray
3. Reinhart
4. Jones
5. Pulock
6. Dumba

Forwards:

1. Lipon
2. Smith
3. St. Croix
4. Lazar
5. Rattie
6. Shinkaruk
7. Fioretti
8. Bozon
9. Lowry
10. Reinhart
11. Samuelsson
12. McNeill
13. Tvrdon

WHL's defence is good, forwards are average compared to the OHL and Q

DKQ 11-16-2012 12:36 PM

Domi-McDavid-Cousins
Boucher-Sarault-Noesen
Rychel-Hall-Brown
Leivo-Vail-Kosmachuk
Brace

Ekblad-Sproul
Nurse-Maatta
Pelech-Koekkoek
Demelo

Martin
Binnington

Even the OHL's second team would be competitive with the QMJHL and WHL

reffree 11-16-2012 12:40 PM

I'll give a try for the Q


Goalies:

Fucale
Cadorette
Gibson*

Defensmans:
Abeltshauser - Ouellet
Lefebvre - Carrier
Sergeev - Narbonne
Noreau


Fowards:

Kucerov - Grigorenko - Straka
Drouin - Mackinnon - Huberdeau
Jaskin - O'Brien - Andrighetto
Hudon - Danault - Zlobin
Mantha - Erne

Might go: Currie, Duffy, Frk, Carrier, Zykov

hawksfan50 11-16-2012 12:47 PM

Q has guys who can actually finish....O has guys who can skate and play a good 2-way game.. DUB has guys who are BIG and hit but are slow,lack hockey sense, can't finish, can read and play D + the most overhyped "FAB %" on D that I have ever seen... DUB has no godd goalies BECAUSE they face no good shooters...Q goalies over-rated ...O has goalies who actually can stop pucks.

DUB is the most physical league--BUT they are DUMB and get caught out of position after going out of their way just to make a hit ..ALL this energy in hitting ALSO leads to stupid penalties because they go overboard (hitting from behind etc..) AND also exposing them to transition rushes back the other way against less than the equired defense (because they were caught up ice making the hit)...all this hiting also tires them out for easy fodder scoring by oppnents in the 3rd period..THe DUB--BIG,SLOW ,TOUGh but DUMB...

THE O --smart 2-way hockey and good goaltending .
More NHL-like...

THE Q-- Skill and finishing ability,smart puck movement . Not physical enough overall.
Over-rated goalies..

I think this sums up the leagues quite well.


Recently we see the USHL dominate CANADA EAST and CANADA WEST at the WORLD JR. A CHALLENGE tournament...Obviously the USHL is better than the JR. A leagues (NON Major Junior) in the West and East of Canada ..MAYBE if you combined the Canada entiy into one team it could do better against these USHL selects BUT i suspect not.

I Think that the USHL selects could compete against a DUB,Q ,or O all-star squad from each league--bUT that overal the depth is better in the 3 CHL leagues such that if you made up 2nd all-star teams from each of the 3 CHL leagues those teams would crush any 2nd all star selects team from the USHL ..In other words the best 25USHL players are equal to the best 25 of each of the 3 cHL leagues --but after that the USHL quality drops off sharply in comparison.. something along those lines..

reffree 11-16-2012 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruinsfan46 (Post 55810347)
Puempel - Strome - Ritchie
Galchenyuk - Scheifele - Griffith
Graovac - Monahan - Trocheck
Camara - Jenner - Wilson
Catenacci

Percy - Hamilton
Harrington - Corrado
Ceci - Murphy
Finn

Subban
Gibson

I think they win pretty handily. QMJHL has a very weak defense right now and the WHL doesn't quite have the high end forwards. OHL has great defense, very deep forwards and probably the two best goalies in the country (should start for the Canada and US respectively).


Q defense isn't great, but with the addition of Abeltshauser, Lefebvre and Sergeev, it's not very weak. Plus their offense is incredible this year. But, for the Q to win it, goalies should be reverse. Gibson and Subban are just way safer than their peers from other leagues.

Sartorial 11-16-2012 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawksfan50 (Post 55811189)
Q has guys who can actually finish....O has guys who can skate and play a good 2-way game.. DUB has guys who are BIG and hit but are slow,lack hockey sense, can't finish, can read and play D + the most overhyped "FAB %" on D that I have ever seen... DUB has no godd goalies BECAUSE they face no good shooters...Q goalies over-rated ...O has goalies who actually can stop pucks.

DUB is the most physical league--BUT they are DUMB and get caught out of position after going out of their way just to make a hit ..ALL this energy in hitting ALSO leads to stupid penalties because they go overboard (hitting from behind etc..) AND also exposing them to transition rushes back the other way against less than the equired defense (because they were caught up ice making the hit)...all this hiting also tires them out for easy fodder scoring by oppnents in the 3rd period..THe DUB--BIG,SLOW ,TOUGh but DUMB...

THE O --smart 2-way hockey and good goaltending .
More NHL-like...

THE Q-- Skill and finishing ability,smart puck movement . Not physical enough overall.
Over-rated goalies..

I think this sums up the leagues quite well.


Recently we see the USHL dominate CANADA EAST and CANADA WEST at the WORLD JR. A CHALLENGE tournament...Obviously the USHL is better than the JR. A leagues (NON Major Junior) in the West and East of Canada ..MAYBE if you combined the Canada entiy into one team it could do better against these USHL selects BUT i suspect not.

I Think that the USHL selects could compete against a DUB,Q ,or O all-star squad from each league--bUT that overal the depth is better in the 3 CHL leagues such that if you made up 2nd all-star teams from each of the 3 CHL leagues those teams would crush any 2nd all star selects team from the USHL ..In other words the best 25USHL players are equal to the best 25 of each of the 3 cHL leagues --but after that the USHL quality drops off sharply in comparison.. something along those lines..


Might I ask where you live?

Blind Gardien 11-16-2012 03:34 PM

OHL...

Goalies: Malcolm Subban and John Gibson are scary good as #1/2. No league touches them IMHO. Binnington is a distant HM as #3.

Defense: Dougie Hamilton, Ryan Murphy, Cody Ceci, Scott Harrington, Olli Maatta, Ryan Sproul... then I had to stop and think... and I like Adam Pelech a lot so that's my top-7

Forwards: Mark Scheifele, Alex Galchenyuk, Boone Jenner, Sean Monahan, Brendan Gaunce, Scott Kosmachuk, Scott Laughton, Radek Faksa, Tobias Rieder, Seth Griffith, Ryan Strome, Brett Ritchie, Rickard Rakell, Stefan Noesen, Tom Wilson, Daniel Catanacci, Vince Trocheck, Nick Cousins, Josh Leivo, Kerby Rychel... could HM a good 6-10 others who are probably interchangeable with some on this list... hopefully the other posters remember them and get the votes in for those I've missed. :)

Mathletic 11-16-2012 04:10 PM

I'll give it a try ... might not always be the best players of each league but more like the best team from each league


Q

Drouin - MacKinnon - Huberdeau
Jaskin - Grigorenko - Erne
Hudon - Danault - Beauvillier
Clapperton - Gauthier - Mantha
Kucherov

Ouellet - Gagné
Culkin - Lefebvre
Abeltshauser - Narbonne
Oligny

Marcoux
Brassard
Fucale


O

Galchenyuk - Scheifele - Griffith
Puempel - Strome - Ritchie
Monahan - Jenner - Smith
Catenacci - Graovac - Trocheck
Wilson

Määttä - Hamilton
Percy - DeMelo
Harrington - Ceci
Murphy

Gibson
Subban
Binnington


W

Bozon - Smith - Lipon
Shinkaruk - Valk - Rattie
Macek - St. Croix - Foster
Nicholls - Brassart - Sissons
Bell

Murray - Pulock
Wotherspoon - Rielly
Pouliot - Jones
Kichton

Rimmer
Bartosak
Laurikainen

RJQuack 11-16-2012 04:15 PM

Drouin - Mackinnon - Huberdeau
Duffy - Grigorenko - Currie
Jaskin - Dea - Andrighetto
Straka - Danault - Carrier
Mantha - Erne


Defenseman
Abeltshauser - Ouellet
Culkin - Carrier
Sergeev - Oligny
Fournier

Goalies
Marcoux
Fucale
Cadorette

JackSlater 11-16-2012 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawksfan50 (Post 55811189)
I Think that the USHL selects could compete against a DUB,Q ,or O all-star squad from each league--bUT that overal the depth is better in the 3 CHL leagues such that if you made up 2nd all-star teams from each of the 3 CHL leagues those teams would crush any 2nd all star selects team from the USHL ..In other words the best 25USHL players are equal to the best 25 of each of the 3 cHL leagues --but after that the USHL quality drops off sharply in comparison.. something along those lines..

Try making a team of USHL players and then compare it to the OHL. It won't be pretty.

QMJHL All-Stars


Defence
1. Ouellet
2. Racine
3. Culkin
4. Abeltshauser
5. Murphy
6. Sergeev
7. Oligny


Offence
1. Huberdeau
2. Grigorenko
3. MacKinnon
4. Drouin
5. Danault
6. Hudon
7. Dea
8. Currie
9. Erne
10. Carrier
11. Duffy
12. Zlobin
13. Jaskin


Goalies
1. Marcoux
2. Fucale
3. Brassard

Q defence is ugly, as always.

AJMHABS 11-16-2012 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blind Gardien (Post 55816181)
OHL...

Goalies: Malcolm Subban and John Gibson are scary good as #1/2. No league touches them IMHO. Binnington is a distant HM as #3.

Defense: Dougie Hamilton, Ryan Murphy, Cody Ceci, Scott Harrington, Olli Maatta, Ryan Sproul... then I had to stop and think... and I like Adam Pelech a lot so that's my top-7

Forwards: Mark Scheifele, Alex Galchenyuk, Boone Jenner, Sean Monahan, Brendan Gaunce, Scott Kosmachuk, Scott Laughton, Radek Faksa, Tobias Rieder, Seth Griffith, Ryan Strome, Brett Ritchie, Rickard Rakell, Stefan Noesen, Tom Wilson, Daniel Catanacci, Vince Trocheck, Nick Cousins, Josh Leivo, Kerby Rychel... could HM a good 6-10 others who are probably interchangeable with some on this list... hopefully the other posters remember them and get the votes in for those I've missed. :)

That team...:amazed: is STACKED.

I am the Liquor 11-16-2012 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawksfan50 (Post 55811189)
Q has guys who can actually finish....O has guys who can skate and play a good 2-way game.. DUB has guys who are BIG and hit but are slow,lack hockey sense, can't finish, can read and play D + the most overhyped "FAB %" on D that I have ever seen... DUB has no godd goalies BECAUSE they face no good shooters...Q goalies over-rated ...O has goalies who actually can stop pucks.

DUB is the most physical league--BUT they are DUMB and get caught out of position after going out of their way just to make a hit ..ALL this energy in hitting ALSO leads to stupid penalties because they go overboard (hitting from behind etc..) AND also exposing them to transition rushes back the other way against less than the equired defense (because they were caught up ice making the hit)...all this hiting also tires them out for easy fodder scoring by oppnents in the 3rd period..THe DUB--BIG,SLOW ,TOUGh but DUMB...

THE O --smart 2-way hockey and good goaltending .
More NHL-like...

THE Q-- Skill and finishing ability,smart puck movement . Not physical enough overall.
Over-rated goalies..

I think this sums up the leagues quite well.


Recently we see the USHL dominate CANADA EAST and CANADA WEST at the WORLD JR. A CHALLENGE tournament...Obviously the USHL is better than the JR. A leagues (NON Major Junior) in the West and East of Canada ..MAYBE if you combined the Canada entiy into one team it could do better against these USHL selects BUT i suspect not.

I Think that the USHL selects could compete against a DUB,Q ,or O all-star squad from each league--bUT that overal the depth is better in the 3 CHL leagues such that if you made up 2nd all-star teams from each of the 3 CHL leagues those teams would crush any 2nd all star selects team from the USHL ..In other words the best 25USHL players are equal to the best 25 of each of the 3 cHL leagues --but after that the USHL quality drops off sharply in comparison.. something along those lines..

Maybe you shouldnt write stuff about things you have no idea about?

Like the WHL for instance.

And Lol at the USHL being able to compete with CHL league all start teams.

Holy hell.:laugh:

JayKing 11-16-2012 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reffree (Post 55810979)
I'll give a try for the Q


Goalies:

Fucale
Cadorette
Gibson*

Defensmans:
Abeltshauser - Ouellet
Lefebvre - Carrier
Sergeev - Narbonne
Noreau


Fowards:

Kucerov - Grigorenko - Straka
Drouin - Mackinnon - Huberdeau
Jaskin - O'Brien - Andrighetto
Hudon - Danault - Zlobin
Mantha - Erne

Might go: Currie, Duffy, Frk, Carrier, Zykov

Marcoux > Fucale

Mathletic 11-16-2012 06:05 PM

Thought I'd give it a try for the USHL

USHL

Cammarata - Stepan - Kloos
Cangelosi - Stenglein - Suter
Skirving - Harms - Kravchenko
Szmatula - Hinostroza - Scheid
Roos

McCoshen - LaDue
Downing - Valleau
Heinrich - Bayreuther
Kolquist

McAdam
Mattsson
Rotolo

Sticks and Pucks 11-16-2012 06:07 PM

OHL's centers are stacked with guys like Scheifele, Strome, Monahan and Jenner. As a WHL fan, I would say the OHL wins this one handily.

Blind Gardien 11-16-2012 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blind Gardien (Post 55816181)
OHL...

Goalies: Malcolm Subban and John Gibson are scary good as #1/2. No league touches them IMHO. Jordan Binnington is a distant HM as #3.

Defense: Dougie Hamilton, Ryan Murphy, Cody Ceci, Scott Harrington, Olli Maatta, Ryan Sproul... then I had to stop and think... and I like Adam Pelech a lot so that's my top-7

Forwards: Mark Scheifele, Alex Galchenyuk, Boone Jenner, Sean Monahan, Brendan Gaunce, Scott Kosmachuk, Scott Laughton, Radek Faksa, Ryan Strome, Brett Ritchie, Rickard Rakell, Stefan Noesen, Tom Wilson... could HM a good 6-10 others who are probably interchangeable with some on this list... hopefully the other posters remember them and get the votes in for those I've missed. :)

Hey, why didn't I read the rules? I listed 20 forwards??!?! Ok, revision... top-13 are just the bolded ones above, and I get three goalies so Binnington can be in afterall.
:facepalm:

Victorious Secret 11-16-2012 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mathletic (Post 55819581)
Thought I'd give it a try for the USHL

USHL

Cammarata - Stepan - Kloos
Cangelosi - Stenglein - Suter
Skirving - Harms - Kravchenko
Szmatula - Hinostroza - Scheid
Roos

McCoshen - LaDue
Downing - Valleau
Heinrich - Bayreuther
Kolquist

McAdam
Mattsson
Rotolo

Pretty close. And it still doesn't hold a candle to any of the CHL leagues. I'd go with the OHL right now.

ponder 11-16-2012 07:25 PM

My vote goes to team OHL, just so much talent at all positions.

dnicks17 11-16-2012 07:50 PM

Galchenyuk-Strome-Ritchie
Trocheck-Scheifele-Griffith
Noesen-Jenner-Kosmachuk
Graovac-Monahan-Catenacci
Cousins

Koekkoek-Hamilton
Maatta-Sproul
Finn-Ceci
Pelech

Gibson
Subban
Binnington


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