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wKetch22 11-16-2012 01:00 PM

Better Defensively: Datsyuk or Karlsson
 
Curious of people think the best offensive defenseman, or the best defensive forward is the better defensive player

DISCLAIMER: This is not an attempt to hate on Karlsson

Cursed Lemon 11-16-2012 01:03 PM

I, uh...

WarriorOfGandhi 11-16-2012 01:03 PM

both are over-rated defensively

KingKopitar11* 11-16-2012 01:07 PM

Datsyuk ultimate puck stripper so I go with him.

Sureves 11-16-2012 01:08 PM

What does this question even mean? What color is better, blue or green?

wKetch22 11-16-2012 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sureves (Post 55811711)
What does this question even mean? What color is better, blue or green?

What? I asked which player is better defensively... Its pretty straight forward

Sureves 11-16-2012 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by wKetch22 (Post 55811871)
What? I asked which player is better defensively... Its pretty straight forward

They are completely incomparable they play totally different positions.

cjm502 11-16-2012 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sureves (Post 55811955)
They are completely incomparable they play totally different positions.

Wait, I thought Karlsson was a forward?

Sureves 11-16-2012 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cjm502 (Post 55811983)
Wait, I thought Karlsson was a forward?

Precisely the purpose of this thread it appears.

MastuhNinks 11-16-2012 01:20 PM

Comparing a forward to a defensemen defensively doesn't really make sense, so the only way I could compare them was relative to others in their position, in which case it's obviously Datsyuk.

wKetch22 11-16-2012 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MastuhNinks (Post 55812179)
Comparing a forward to a defensemen defensively doesn't really make sense, so the only way I could compare them was relative to others in their position, in which case it's obviously Datsyuk.

I realize the defensive skills used by a dman and the defensive skills used by a forward are different, but its still possible to compare

not which player would be a better defenseman, but which player has the better defensive skills

OzzyFan 11-16-2012 01:22 PM

Is this serious? Datsyuk comparative position vs position is way better than Karlsson defensively. Defending ability by itself? It's still datsyuk: elite puckstripper(if not the best), one of the highest defensive IQ players in the nhl, better on the PK, more physical on defense, more agitating on defense, better on the boards on defense, and even arguably a better shot blocker.

OmniSens 11-16-2012 01:45 PM

Really? Sorry to say, this is a bad poll... :cry:

Datsyuk

HockeyThoughts 11-16-2012 01:46 PM

Two of HFBoards most overrated players.. Should be a fun one.

Sureves 11-16-2012 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by HockeyThoughts (Post 55813055)
Two of HFBoards most overrated players.. Should be a fun one.

13 nil on a poll that doesn't even make sense. Yep, everyone lovessssss Karlsson.

Chicago Made Punk 11-16-2012 01:49 PM

Um... Karlsson AINEC.

Datsyuk can make cool plays with his stick every once in a while against unsuspecting defensemen. That's great for him.

Karlsson is a defenseman who can match up ok with 1st lines and pretty well against 2nd lines.

Datsyuk would be an inferior defenseman to Matt Gilroy. This is a terrible poll.

NyQuil 11-16-2012 01:53 PM

Another poll to hate on Karlsson.

Minister of Offence 11-16-2012 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HockeyThoughts (Post 55813055)
Two of HFBoards most overrated players.. Should be a fun one.

How is a player that gets **** on as much as any player in the game overrated?

I guess hate is something that success has always generated.

HockeyThoughts 11-16-2012 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Minister of Offence (Post 55813525)
How is a player that gets **** on as much as any player in the game overrated?

I guess hate is something that success has always generated.

Maybe it's just that you Ottawa fans are so suffocating it feels like Karlsson is god sometimes..

I don't know just spitballing some ideas..

Minister of Offence 11-16-2012 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HockeyThoughts (Post 55813571)
Maybe it's just that you Ottawa fans are so suffocating it feels like Karlsson is god sometimes..

I don't know just spitballing some ideas..

What came first the chicken or the egg?

I think the egg came first, but then it stopped, and then it was all chicken provoking the egg with it's chickeny stupidy, bias and jelly.

I don't really ever comment first about him, just reply to the stupidity about him. I once made a thread before the first half of last season about him potentially winning the Norris. But everything I said in that thread's OP came true.

I apologize for being so, so right. And an apology for being a *****, just for good measure.

NyQuil 11-16-2012 02:06 PM

Is Marc-Andre Fleury (judging by last year's playoff) a better goalie than Pavel Datsyuk?

How about Ilya Bryzgalov?

Sky04 11-16-2012 02:12 PM

Is karlsson better offensively then Datsyuk?

I mean his comparative offense vs defensemen as opposed to Datsyuks vs forwards is much higher right?

NyQuil 11-16-2012 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sky04 (Post 55813811)
Is karlsson better offensively then Datsyuk?

I mean his comparative offense vs defensemen as opposed to Datsyuks vs forwards is much higher right?

Even head-to-head, Karlsson put up more points. No "comparative offense" required.

Datsyuk played fewer games, but they had the same PPG. (0.96)

bleedblue1223 11-16-2012 02:15 PM

This was flawed from the start, regardless of intentions.

Can everyone just give us a break from the Karlsson polls.

Minister of Offence 11-16-2012 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bleedblue1223 (Post 55813901)
This was flawed from the start, regardless of intentions.

Can everyone just give us a break from the Karlsson polls.

Manners go a long way young man. And even then, no promises.


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