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Henrik To Daniel 11-17-2012 09:52 PM

Briere vs. Toews Playoffs 2010
 
Briere had more points than Toews (30 to 29) and more goals (12 to 7) yet Toews won the Conn Smythe (probably because he was on the Cup winning team)

Who do you think really deserved the trophy that year?

Gritzky98 11-17-2012 09:53 PM

Duncan Keith

Keith
Kane
Toews
Briere
Pronger

Gootie 11-17-2012 09:55 PM

Duncan Keith

Henrik To Daniel 11-17-2012 09:56 PM

No Duncan Keith... pick between the two players in the poll

Blackhawkswincup 11-17-2012 09:57 PM

Duncan Keith

Would have been better for Hawks as well because we wouldn't have been punished cap wise

But out of two you listed ,, Toews

His defense was vital to Hawks in playoffs (Even in finals he and Richards basically shut each other down)

KareemTrustfund 11-17-2012 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 55845943)
Duncan Keith

Would have been better for Hawks as well because we wouldn't have been punished cap wise

But out of two you listed ,, Toews

His defense was vital to Hawks in playoffs (Even in finals he and Richards basically shut each other down)

That just sounds like a silly excuse for a poor final. One of the worst final performances for a Smythe winner I have ever seen. I really do like Toews, but the guy was nowhere to be found, at both ends of the rink.

LPH 11-17-2012 10:12 PM

Duncan Keith AINEC

bp spec 11-17-2012 10:13 PM

Danny Briere

Blackhawkswincup 11-17-2012 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben Dover (Post 55846105)
That just sounds like a silly excuse for a poor final. One of the worst final performances for a Smythe winner I have ever seen. I really do like Toews, but the guy was nowhere to be found, at both ends of the rink.

Well good thing the Smythe is for overall playoff not just finals

Briere

Vs NJ = 5 games , 2 goals + 3 assists for 5 pts
Vs Bos = 7 games , 5 goals + 5 assists for 10 pts
Vs Mon = 5 games , 2 goals + 1 assists for 3 pts
Vs Chi = 6 games , 3 goals + 9 assists for 12 pts

Toews

Vs Nas = 6 games , 2 goals + 6 assists for 8 pts
Vs Van = 6 games , 4 goals + 7 assists for 11 pts
Vs SJ = 4 games , 1 goal + 5 assists for 6 pts
Vs Phi = 6 games , 3 assists for 3 pts

Overall both played at comparable levels

Who ever won cup was gonna get MVP from there team that series IMO

For Hawks you had 3 viable choices (Toews , Kane and Keith)
For Flyers you had 2 viable choices (Pronger and Briere)

I think you also have to take into account the quality of competition both faced before meeting in finals

Hawks went thru

100 pt 7th seed Preds
103 pt 3rd seed Canucks
113 pt 1st seed Sharks

Flyers went thru

103 pt 2nd seed Devils
91 pt 6th seed Bruins
88 pt 8th seed Habs

FoppaForsberg* 11-17-2012 10:19 PM

Duncan Keith.

MessierII 11-17-2012 10:27 PM

Jonny was in full deservement

WarriorOfGandhi 11-17-2012 10:28 PM

I can't believe I'm the first person to say Duncan Keith

Lehner 11-17-2012 10:43 PM

Niemi

Evincar 11-17-2012 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 55846411)
Well good thing the Smythe is for overall playoff not just finals

Yes it is for overall playoffs but what you do in the finals is a lot more important than what you do in say the 1st or 2nd round. Its hard to justify awarding the Smythe to a player who had just 3 assists in 6 games. Keith, Kane or Briere were more deserving.

zytz 11-18-2012 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Litework (Post 55847903)
Yes it is for overall playoffs but what you do in the finals is a lot more important than what you do in say the 1st or 2nd round. Its hard to justify awarding the Smythe to a player who had just 3 assists in 6 games. Keith, Kane or Briere were more deserving.

As long as we're telling the whole story lets tell the whole story: Toews avg PK time per game in the playoffs, 2:32 to Briere's 0:02. Toews PP avg 3:11 to Briere's 3:47. Toews with 60% F/O wins to Briere's 47%. Briere also had one more GP than Toews. Toews with 9 giveaways, 32 takeaways to Briere's 17 gives and 11 takes. Toews out scored Briere on the PP by 5 points despite less ice PP time. Philly was on the PP for 40 more minutes than CHI in the playoffs. Toews CORSI score of 19 smashed Briere's -2

Important to note too, I think that Toews actually led in points until the final game of the playoffs. He wrecked it all playoffs long until the finals when he finally came up against another center that could actually play a great shutdown game. After Pronger vs. Buff, my favorite matchup,was Richards vs Toews.

HockeyThoughts 11-18-2012 12:17 AM

Not Duncan Keith, Daniel Briere or Jonathan Toews for that matter.

Patrick Kane was the most dynamic player throughout those playoffs and if they did voting after the playoffs finished (like the really should) he would have surely won the Conn Smythe imo.

Evincar 11-18-2012 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zytz (Post 55848793)
As long as we're telling the whole story lets tell the whole story: Toews avg PK time per game in the playoffs, 2:32 to Briere's 0:02. Toews PP avg 3:11 to Briere's 3:47. Toews with 60% F/O wins to Briere's 47%. Briere also had one more GP than Toews. Toews with 9 giveaways, 32 takeaways to Briere's 17 gives and 11 takes. Toews out scored Briere on the PP by 5 points despite less ice PP time. Philly was on the PP for 40 more minutes than CHI in the playoffs. Toews CORSI score of 19 smashed Briere's -2

Important to note too, I think that Toews actually led in points until the final game of the playoffs. He wrecked it all playoffs long until the finals when he finally came up against another center that could actually play a great shutdown game. After Pronger vs. Buff, my favorite matchup,was Richards vs Toews.

What does that have to do with his play in the finals? And how is he more deserving than Kane or Keith?

UsernameWasTaken 11-18-2012 01:20 AM

i would have gone w/ kane over any of them (toews, briere, keith).

re: topic? = toews.

MastuhNinks 11-18-2012 01:47 AM

Toews > Keith > Pronger > Briere

OzzyFan 11-18-2012 10:23 AM

Keith obviously. For the poll, Toews. Surprising person who should have gotten some mention but not won it: Bolland. He was a man on fire defensively and all around even. Pronger/Kane also deserved mention, but not the award.

SillyRabbit 11-18-2012 10:29 AM

Briere was 1 point shy of Wayne Gretzky's NHL record for most points in an NHL Stanley Cup Finals series.

I don't think that Briere should have won the Conn Smythe (Unless Philly won, then it was between him and Pronger), however I do think that he had a better playoff run than Toews.

Prairie Habs 11-18-2012 04:19 PM

Keith and I'll send a shout out to Cammy (12 goals in the first two rounds and lead the playoffs in goals without even making it to the finals).

Moore Money 11-18-2012 05:54 PM

Toews because there is more to hockey than scoring points..

lboogie42* 11-18-2012 06:51 PM

henrik sedin

BruinsNeedaRussian 11-18-2012 07:23 PM

Surprised nobody has mentioned Keith yet.


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