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oilersfan11 11-22-2012 05:39 PM

Oilers Caps /Oilers Blues
 
To Oilers
John Carlson
Jeff Schultz
2013 2nd round pick


To Caps
Jordan Eberle
Jeff Petry


To Oilers
Kevin Shattenkirk
Patrik Berglund



To Blues
Jordan Eberle
Jeff Petry

Turrican* 11-22-2012 05:40 PM

Eberle is a one-season wonder with an unsustainable shooting %.

No and no from Blues and Caps.

mcphllp 11-22-2012 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kreator (Post 55968329)
Eberle is a one-season wonder with an unsustainable shooting %.

No and no from Blues and Caps.

lol get real. oilers get robbed in both of those

Turrican* 11-22-2012 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcphllp (Post 55968375)
lol get real. oilers get robbed in both of those

I just wanted to get it out of the way before it was said by a non-Oilers fan :sarcasm:

The Nuge 11-22-2012 05:45 PM

Can everyone please stop with the Eberle proposals?

McShogun99 11-22-2012 05:46 PM

Considering that Eberle has had success at every level he's played he sure looks like a 1 season wonder to me....


At least the edited deal is less of a robbery.

Aceonfire 11-22-2012 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kreator (Post 55968329)
Eberle is a one-season wonder with an unsustainable shooting %.

No and no from Blues and Caps.

2nd in scoring in the AHL, 8 points in 8 games at the WCs. And now he finally has a puck moving D.

You clearly know very little about Eberle...

oilersfan11 11-22-2012 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceonfire (Post 55968433)
2nd in scoring in the AHL, 8 points in 8 games at the WCs. And now he finally has a puck moving D.

You clearly know very little about Eberle...

I think Kreator was being sarcastic.:laugh:

hlaverty06 11-22-2012 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcphllp (Post 55968375)
lol get real. oilers get robbed in both of those

This better be a joke...

txpd 11-22-2012 05:51 PM

i doubt that it matters who the return is. the caps wouldnt trade john carlson. period.

7even 11-22-2012 05:52 PM

Man I hate to be "this guy," but nobody has maintained a SH% as high as Eberle's post-lockout. Sooooooo....

Turrican* 11-22-2012 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7even (Post 55968521)
Man I hate to be "this guy," but nobody has maintained a SH% as high as Eberle's post-lockout. Sooooooo....

Then he will start taking more shots... Why is that so hard for people to believe?
It's not like he took 600 shots last year.
He can still maintain a 30+ goal season.

Hivemind 11-22-2012 05:57 PM

I've had a mental debate about Carlson vs. Eberle before. Ultimately, I think I'd stick with Carlson, at least until Green proved he can remain healthy and Orlov proves he can step up defensively.

The Nuge 11-22-2012 06:03 PM

For the record, you made the first proposal worse

StringerBell 11-22-2012 06:08 PM

Good value, doubt any team goes for it. Especially StL.

oilersfan11 11-22-2012 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Nuge (Post 55968747)
For the record, you made the first proposal worse

Then the Washington fans will reject and say that the Oilers aren't giving up enough.:laugh:

Turrican* 11-22-2012 06:09 PM

I don't mind having the Schultz monopoly in the NHL. But not at the cost of JE14.

7even 11-22-2012 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kreator (Post 55968583)
Then he will start taking more shots... Why is that so hard for people to believe?
It's not like he took 600 shots last year.
He can still maintain a 30+ goal season.

Because Marek Svatos? Lol. I don't think "take more shots" is quite as easy as it sounds. If his SH% regressed a measly 3%, he'd have to take 35 more shots on net to hold 34 goals. Now, I think Jordan Eberle is just a naturally good shooter, so I'd expect him to shoot anywhere from around 12% to 15%, using TCAB's data. Which is pretty good. He just didn't take a whole lot of shots last year, which is more problematic when you're not shooting a 19%. So while I think Eberle is a great player, I'm not trading John Carlson for him after one season.

txpd 11-22-2012 06:13 PM

the caps just inked carlson to a 6 year deal at just under $4m per. hockey anaylists as recently as his last game have suggested he is a norris trophy winner in the near future. those two things together mean you dont trade that player. period.

that fact that eberle hasnt played a game with playoff ramifications yet, much less in the playoffs and the capitals a team that needs playoff performers more than anything doesnt really add to the draw.

tsujimoto74 11-22-2012 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by txpd (Post 55968977)
the caps just inked carlson to a 6 year deal at just under $4m per. hockey anaylists as recently as his last game have suggested he is a norris trophy in winner in the near future. those two things together mean you dont trade that player. period.

that fact that eberle hasnt played a game with playoff ramifications yet, much less in the playoffs and the capitals a team that needs playoff performers more than anything doesnt really add to the draw.

I hope not. He's not even the best defenseman on his own team (see: Alzner, Karl).

WeridAl 11-22-2012 06:19 PM

At least one thing you can say about the OP's proposals, there consistently bad. Once again the Oilers pass.

Tad McMikowsky 11-22-2012 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeridAl (Post 55969163)
At least one thing you can say about the OP's proposals, there consistently bad. Once again the Oilers pass.

I second this

Vladys Gumption 11-22-2012 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StringerBell (Post 55968839)
Good value, doubt any team goes for it. Especially StL.

What he said ^. I would absolutely love to have Eberle on the Blues. But unless a center is coming back, Berglund isn't going anywhere. And I'm not really in an hurry to see the Blues get rid of Shattenkirk. That said, I'm glad someone made a proposal that doesn't try to get Berglund out of of St. Louis while giving up absolutely noting.

Hivemind 11-22-2012 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsujimoto74 (Post 55969093)
I hope not. He's not even the best defenseman on his own team (see: Alzner, Karl).

Right now, yup. Carlson's upside is definitely higher, and he's also a much more reasonable Norris candidate given his better offensive numbers.

Wheatking 11-22-2012 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kreator (Post 55968583)
Then he will start taking more shots... Why is that so hard for people to believe?
It's not like he took 600 shots last year.
He can still maintain a 30+ goal season.

People love to focus on the negative.

Eberle was 15th in league scoring and had the 11th best ppg average of all players that played 50+ games last season while only averaging 17:35 a game. There were only two players that averaged less ice time in the top 50. Seguin had 67 points(29th in the league) in 81 games while averaging 16:56 and Purcell had 65 points(40th in the league) while averaging 16:07.

Most of the players ahead of Eberle in points were averaging 2-4 minutes a night more than him. Was his shooting% high? Yes, but you have got to have something going for you if you can sustain that for an entire season. Eberle has a deadly shot and with more ice time, I'm sure he'll continue to be a 30+ goal scorer in the league.


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