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Joey Bones 11-26-2012 03:51 PM

Potential Undrafted Players
 
Since I've been DYING for some hockey, I've been watching highlights from Europe, Juniors, NCAA, etc. I've noticed that there are an abundant of undrafted young guys that can play some damn good hockey. Who do you guys think is available that the Rangers might go after? (From anywhere, any position)

ECL 11-26-2012 03:56 PM

Now is not exactly a good time to speculate. Once the respective seasons come closer to the end, then you can really get ready to predict things.

SupersonicMonkey* 11-26-2012 04:03 PM

Derek Army of Providence College has impressed me. He's small. But there's no risk involved as an undrafted free agent.

Always around the net. Plays big. Good skill. Good hands. Good kid.

Thirty One 11-26-2012 04:07 PM

Mark Zengerle of Wisconsin always impresses me when I see him.

HatTrick Swayze 11-26-2012 04:10 PM

I've been a big fan of BC's Pat Mullane since his draft year.

He is a skilled all-around Center. Playing with Johnny Gaudreau his stats this year are impressive: 6-9-15 in 11 GP.

Clowes Line 11-26-2012 04:10 PM

I love Andy Iles out of Cornell. This isn't the first time I've mentioned that I think the Rangers should sign him.

nyr2k2 11-26-2012 04:28 PM

Two guys that we had at prospect camp are Troy Grosenick and Myles Bell. Grosenick is a talented college goalie that would provide a nice backup in a year or two with true starter potential. Bell is a supremely talented defenseman that was once considered a top-20 pick, but twice went undrafted due to a terrible off-ice accident that scared teams off. His WHL team moved him to LW this season but he's more valuable as a defenseman.

The first page of the Prospects Thread, I list all the guys we invite to camp. It's not uncommon for us to sign one of those guys and add a couple others to AHL deals.

Kane One 11-26-2012 04:30 PM

Do any of you know what happened to Andy Bathgate's grandson, Andy Bathgate?

I know he was invited to training camp, but was he unimpressive?

Clowes Line 11-26-2012 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by nyr2k2 (Post 56051015)
Two guys that we had at prospect camp are Troy Grosenick and Myles Bell. Grosenick is a talented college goalie that would provide a nice backup in a year or two with true starter potential. Bell is a supremely talented defenseman that was once considered a top-20 pick, but twice went undrafted due to a terrible off-ice accident that scared teams off. His WHL team moved him to LW this season but he's more valuable as a defenseman.

The first page of the Prospects Thread, I list all the guys we invite to camp. It's not uncommon for us to sign one of those guys and add a couple others to AHL deals.

Ah, Grosenick is another. I love the NCAA goalies.

If the Rangers signed Iles or Grosenick, I'd be ecstatic. Both have serious potential to be NHL starters.

nyr2k2 11-26-2012 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kaneone (Post 56051031)
Do any of you know what happened to Andy Bathgate's grandson, Andy Bathgate?

I know he was invited to training camp, but was he unimpressive?

He's been great for his CIS team, Guelph. 12 goals in 11 games. No idea if he's on our radar.

We also had Luke Esposito in camp. He has bloodlines, but not what you'd guess. He's the nephew of Mess. Having a decent year in the BCHL.

Punxrocknyc19* 11-26-2012 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kaneone (Post 56051031)
Do any of you know what happened to Andy Bathgate's grandson, Andy Bathgate?

I know he was invited to training camp, but was he unimpressive?

you would think they would have tried to sign him to an AHL deal. i guess he must have been bad or maybe only wanted an NHL deal.. what about Dane Fox?? i remember alot of fans liked him?? UFA or draft class of 2013????

nyr2k2 11-26-2012 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Punxrocknyc19 (Post 56051511)
you would think they would have tried to sign him to an AHL deal. i guess he must have been bad or maybe only wanted an NHL deal.. what about Dane Fox?? i remember alot of fans liked him?? UFA or draft class of 2013????

Fox is UFA, but he hurt himself earlier this year and has not played this season. He has off-ice issues.

Esposito was playing high school hockey last year. Too much of an unknown. He's probably not even a legitimate prospect--we always invite guys as favors to former player types. Lyon Messier. Don Maloney, Jr. Gabe Grunwald (son of Glen) this year.

SupersonicMonkey* 11-26-2012 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HatTrick Swayze (Post 56050589)
I've been a big fan of BC's Pat Mullane since his draft year.

He is a skilled all-around Center. Playing with Johnny Gaudreau his stats this year are impressive: 6-9-15 in 11 GP.

Yes.

SupersonicMonkey* 11-26-2012 05:46 PM

Good thread. Undraftrd NCAA kids are a great resource for finding talent.

silverfish 11-26-2012 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SupersonicMonkey (Post 56052603)
Good thread. Undraftrd NCAA kids are a great resource for finding talent.

Seriously, the NCAA is absolutely untapped. There certainly is some potential NHL talent there, but to fill out your AHL and ECHL teams, I see no reason why teams aren't digging into the NCAA.

Color me still, completely, shocked that Jack Connolly out of UMD never got a look with an NHL organization. Doesn't have great size, but the dude plays with a chip on his shoulder, was a great leader at UMD, and could definitely play in the AHL today.

Hurt now, has 7 points in 16 games with Farjestad

Fitzy 11-26-2012 08:37 PM

Kyle Flanagan. Has a good shot at the Hobey Baker this year.

Excellent vision in the offensive zone. He is most comfortable when he has time and space, and would take some time to adjust to the speed and size of the NHL, but he has the brain and skill set to make it.

Greg Carey. Has the best wrist shot I've seen outside of the NHL

Richards to Gaborik 11-26-2012 08:46 PM

I'm obviously biased since I'm a Quinnipiac alum, but perhaps Eric Hartzell? He's a goalie at QU who is putting up some really good numbers, and has good size at 6'4 190ish

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=93953

Probably really reaching with him, but I figured it was worth a mention.

district9 11-26-2012 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Richards to Gaborik (Post 56057487)
I'm obviously biased since I'm a Quinnipiac alum, but perhaps Eric Hartzell? He's a goalie at QU who is putting up some really good numbers, and has good size at 6'4 190ish

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=93953

Probably really reaching with him, but I figured it was worth a mention.

i'm actually a really big hartzell fan! i think the kid is great and has an NHL future if someone takes a chance on him.

i have a buddy who does the press for union college's hockey team so we have a group of friends who gets together and watches the games while he's home from school (like now!) grosenick is a pretty good goalie but not sure if he's NHL caliber yet. i think he could potentially develop a lot this year. if you're looking at union, check out wayne simpson and kyle bodie. two kids who are undrafted and are really good fits for the rangers system.

SupersonicMonkey* 11-26-2012 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by silverfish (Post 56055975)
Seriously, the NCAA is absolutely untapped. There certainly is some potential NHL talent there, but to fill out your AHL and ECHL teams, I see no reason why teams aren't digging into the NCAA.

Color me still, completely, shocked that Jack Connolly out of UMD never got a look with an NHL organization. Doesn't have great size, but the dude plays with a chip on his shoulder, was a great leader at UMD, and could definitely play in the AHL today.

Hurt now, has 7 points in 16 games with Farjestad

There were over 300 NCAA players in the NHL last season, so I wouldn't say its untapped, but I agree there are a handful of quality players that go undrafted each year.

Canadians and CHL folk can't stomach the fact the NCAA is on the rise. More NCAA players and products of the US development path in the league each year.

Fanned On It 11-27-2012 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by nyr2k2 (Post 56052099)
Fox is UFA, but he hurt himself earlier this year and has not played this season. He has off-ice issues.

Esposito was playing high school hockey last year. Too much of an unknown. He's probably not even a legitimate prospect--we always invite guys as favors to former player types. Lyon Messier. Don Maloney, Jr. Gabe Grunwald (son of Glen) this year.

What do you think about Don Maloney Jr? He's always skating at my rink.

Joey Bones 11-27-2012 06:04 AM

Thanks guys, I absolutely love the goalies in the NCAA. Grosenick, Iles, Milner, and many others impress me a lot. Are there any Euro players that could be on the radar too?

Joey Bones 11-27-2012 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyr2k2 (Post 56051015)
Two guys that we had at prospect camp are Troy Grosenick and Myles Bell. Grosenick is a talented college goalie that would provide a nice backup in a year or two with true starter potential. Bell is a supremely talented defenseman that was once considered a top-20 pick, but twice went undrafted due to a terrible off-ice accident that scared teams off. His WHL team moved him to LW this season but he's more valuable as a defenseman.

The first page of the Prospects Thread, I list all the guys we invite to camp. It's not uncommon for us to sign one of those guys and add a couple others to AHL deals.

Myles Bell is absolutely DESTROYING the WHL right now!!!

nyr2k2 11-27-2012 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Fanned On It (Post 56062353)
What do you think about Don Maloney Jr? He's always skating at my rink.

I don't know him or much about him. He bounces around the low minors. He's got a side gig as a model though.

nyr2k2 11-27-2012 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Joey Bones (Post 56062827)
Thanks guys, I absolutely love the goalies in the NCAA. Grosenick, Iles, Milner, and many others impress me a lot. Are there any Euro players that could be on the radar too?

Probably the most talked-about undrafted Euro is Anton Slepyshev. He's an 18-year old playing for Novokuznetsk in the KHL. He's supposed to be very talented, but teams don't think he'll come over. He likely would have been an early-to-mid round pick otherwise.

Patrik Machac is a Czech player in the OHL with Brampton. He's small but skilled. Jeremy Boyce is a Swedish defenseman with Timra in the SEL. Mikko Lehtonen is a small Finnish defender with skill. Andrey Makarov plays in the WHL, he apparently has some upside. Makarov is probably the only one I mentioned that has a chance at getting a contract, be it an NHL ELC or AHL deal.

nyr2k2 11-27-2012 08:01 AM

For anyone curious, here are the stats for the guys we invited to prospect camp. There's normally even more names as we invite a couple additional guys to Traverse and training camp, but obviously that didn't happen this year.

2012 DEVELOPMENT CAMP INVITEES
PLAYERS HAVE NO NHL CONTRACT
PlayerPos.DOBH/WGamesGoalsAssistsPoints+/-PIMTeam/League
Bathgate, AndrewC2/26/19916'1"/1741112719--4Guelph Gryphons/CIS
Bell, Myles AF/D8/13/19936'0"/20225152237+1929Kelowna Rockets/WHL
Devlin, Brandon*RD4/27/19946'1"/20420156-733Peterborough Petes/OHL
Esposito, LukeC10/18/19935'10"/1752592332--14Chilliwack Chiefs/BCHL
Foster, BenLW3/27/19936'1"/190207411-68Muskegon Lumberjacks/USHL
Fox, Dane INJF10/13/19936'0"/185      Erie Otters/OHL
Golovkov, IgorLD5/17/19906'3"/20521022-542HC Vityaz Chekhov/KHL
Goodrow, Barclay CRW2/26/19936'2"/2092718422-126Brampton Battalion/OHL
Haggerty, RyanC3/4/19936'0"/1909336-310RPI/NCAA
Hope, KyleF/D4/20/19936'1"/184205712+1034Owen Sound Attack/OHL
Klíma, TomášC6/13/19906'0"/19013369+68HK Dukla Trenčín/SZLH
Rauter, AlexLW6/17/19946'1"/18516527-44Omaha Lancers/USHL
Zaitsev, NikitaRD10/29/19916'1"/176286410-514Sibir Novosibirsk/KHL
PlayerPos.DOBH/WGamesWinsLossesOTLGAASV%SOTeam/League
Grosenick, TroyG8/27/19896'1"/19085112.20.9220Union College/NCAA
Grunwald, GabeG3/15/19936'2"/183157512.80.9001Georgetown Raiders/OJHL
*Devlin: traded by Kelowna Rockets to Peterborough Petes; statistics are cumulative [11/22/2012]


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