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Habs_46 11-28-2012 10:21 AM

Kristo wanting to join Habs next season
 
http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/351989.html

shutehinside 11-28-2012 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Habs_46 (Post 56089259)

Me too!

His chances are only slightly better than mine, though.

FlyingKostitsyn 11-28-2012 10:43 AM

An often overlooked yet solid prospect. He could become a good top9 player for us.

Doubt he'll be in the NHL next season but failing that he's going to be an important member of the Bulldogs.

Bullsmith 11-28-2012 10:55 AM

I'm sure hoping he does. He's a high-upside prospect.

habs03 11-28-2012 11:07 AM

I think he'll sign, but doesn't he become a free agent if not signed by June, just like Justin Schultz?

Pierre Dagenais 11-28-2012 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by habs03 (Post 56090187)
I think he'll sign, but doesn't he become a free agent if not signed by June, just like Justin Schultz?

I believe that loophole is only valid for Juniors. Kristo is a Senior this year.

Not 100% sure.

Bullsmith 11-28-2012 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by habs03 (Post 56090187)
I think he'll sign, but doesn't he become a free agent if not signed by June, just like Justin Schultz?

He the option to go UFA if he wants to, although he can also sign with us before that happens. He can't really make any extra money if the entry-level restrictions remain in place, but he can sign on elsewhere if he wants to. I'm sure he'd find takers.

Really though, there are good reasons to sign with the org that drafted him. Not compelling ones, but it'd be better for his rep at a minimum. Since he's saying he intends to sign with Montreal, I'll take him at his word and keep my fingers crossed.

FF de Mars 11-28-2012 11:22 AM

The title is misleading. Kristo says that he probably will be a Bulldog but that he's gonna try to make the team anyway. However, Shultz also said that he wanted to sign with Anaheim until he became a ufa...

overlords 11-28-2012 11:39 AM

Kristo can't become a UFA. He has no loophole.

montreal 11-28-2012 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by habs03 (Post 56090187)
I think he'll sign, but doesn't he become a free agent if not signed by June, just like Justin Schultz?

No he doesn't become a UFA in June, that loophole closed. Mac Bennett can do so at the end of this season, he has to tell the Habs before June 1st, if he wishes to opt out. But that's if the lockout ends and the loop isn't closed or grandfathered.

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Originally Posted by Pierre Dagenais (Post 56090293)
I believe that loophole is only valid for Juniors. Kristo is a Senior this year.

Not 100% sure.

That's correct, but only for Juniors that did not play in the NCAA right away after being drafted by an NHL team.

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Originally Posted by Bullsmith (Post 56090301)
He the option to go UFA if he wants to, although he can also sign with us before that happens. He can't really make any extra money if the entry-level restrictions remain in place, but he can sign on elsewhere if he wants to. I'm sure he'd find takers.

Really though, there are good reasons to sign with the org that drafted him. Not compelling ones, but it'd be better for his rep at a minimum. Since he's saying he intends to sign with Montreal, I'll take him at his word and keep my fingers crossed.

He had the option but it passed last June 1st. The only NHL team he can sign with is the Habs, now the Habs could opt not to sign him and he would become a UFA.

bcv 11-28-2012 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by montreal (Post 56092211)
No he doesn't become a UFA in June, that loophole closed. Mac Bennett can do so at the end of this season, he has to tell the Habs before June 1st, if he wishes to opt out. But that's if the lockout ends and the loop isn't closed or grandfathered.



That's correct, but only for Juniors that did not play in the NCAA right away after being drafted by an NHL team.



He had the option but it passed last June 1st. The only NHL team he can sign with is the Habs, now the Habs could opt not to sign him and he would become a UFA.

I understand that Kristo can't use the loophole, but what happened with Fischer? How did he become a UFA after his college carreer?

The Habs received a 2nd round pick in compensaton for him because he refused to sign with them when they offered him a contract. Could a senior just refused to sign with the team that drafted him and become UFA?

Montreal4Life 11-28-2012 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bcv (Post 56092599)
I understand that Kristo can't use the loophole, but what happened with Fischer? How did he become a UFA after his college carreer?

We didnt want to sign him lol

Myron Gaines* 11-28-2012 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bcv (Post 56092599)
I understand that Kristo can't use the loophole, but what happened with Fischer? How did he become a UFA after his college carreer?

Bust, literally.

bcv 11-28-2012 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Montreal4Life (Post 56092797)
We didnt want to sign him lol

The Habs received at 2nd round pick in compensation for him because they offered him a contract...

overlords 11-28-2012 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bcv (Post 56092985)
The Habs received at 2nd round pick in compensation for him because they offered him a contract...

That's a technicality. From what I understand, they offer you a contract right off of being drafted for the sole purpose of being able to claim the consolation 2nd rounder if you completely bust.

Redux91 11-28-2012 01:37 PM

Its honestly all in all great News either Way seeing As how him Wanting to go back To ND Kind of worried Alot of people but it looks like he really just Wanted to Finish his Schooling and have another shot at the National championship instead OF being up to Something else

Its great To see he has his mind Set ON becoming Pro For us Next year after all

just Keep on dominating this year bud

canadiensnation 11-28-2012 02:03 PM

Hes gonna need at least 1 year in the AHL.

montreal 11-28-2012 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bcv (Post 56092599)
I understand that Kristo can't use the loophole, but what happened with Fischer? How did he become a UFA after his college carreer?

The Habs received a 2nd round pick in compensaton for him because he refused to sign with them when they offered him a contract. Could a senior just refused to sign with the team that drafted him and become UFA?

Fischer and Kristo were in totally different boats. Fischer wasn't signed by the Habs so they gave up his rights. Fischer is in the same boat as current NCAA draft picks, Walsh, Didier, Cichy. Kristo is in the same boat as Bennett, MacMillan and Sullivan.

When you draft a player out of the NCAA, one of two things happen. One is that said player goes to the NCAA right after being drafted. The other is that said player does not go to the NCAA right away.

If said player goes to the NCAA right away, there is no loop hole and said player can only sign with the NHL team that drafted them. The NHL team has to sign the player after he completes his 4th season (unless redshirted which is an injury exemption). In the case of Fischer the Habs opted not to sign him since they would get the 50th overall in place of signing him since he was a 1st round draft pick.

If said player doesn't go to the NCAA right away, and plays in another league the following season after being drafted (like the USHL, BCHL, USHS, etc..) then after his junior year he can opt out of signing with the NHL team that drafted him. To do so he must inform the school he won't be returning and he has to let the NHL team that drafted him know of his intentions before June 1st. If said player opts NOT to become a UFA, then the loop hole is forever closed and said player would be treated just like the group that went directly to the NCAA.

I haven't heard a single word on the future of this loophole. Got to think the Ducks are none to happy with losing Schultz since he's ripping up the AHL after being a top D in the NCAA. Hopefully if the loophole isn't closed, guys like Bennett and MacMillan won't opt out.

overlords 11-28-2012 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux91 (Post 56094009)
Its honestly all in all great News either Way seeing As how him Wanting to go back To ND Kind of worried Alot of people but it looks like he really just Wanted to Finish his Schooling and have another shot at the National championship instead OF being up to Something else

Its great To see he has his mind Set ON becoming Pro For us Next year after all

just Keep on dominating this year bud

What's up with your shift key, brah?

Redux91 11-28-2012 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by overlords (Post 56095143)
What's up with your shift key, brah?

lolcurrently at work at 1000 de la Gauchetiere promoting The New Samsung Tablet and using the New pen Feature. Its got a Few kinks I guess but im loving Writing all this With a pen Over Typing with 2 index Fingers lol
Cant Wait to go skating at the Rink when the Shifts over!

FlyingKostitsyn 11-28-2012 03:00 PM

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Hes gonna need at least 1 year in the AHL.
He might not need a complete year. After all he's going to be 23 years old. Of course it would be surprising if we have a spot for him in the lineup with Galchenyuk and Leblanc well ahead of him and with Gallagher also close to the NHL.

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Originally Posted by Redux91 (Post 56095489)
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I don't know, from your typing I'm not convinced it works that well ;)

HankyZetts 11-28-2012 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux91 (Post 56095489)
lolcurrently at work at 1000 de la Gauchetiere promoting The New Samsung Tablet and using the New pen Feature. Its got a Few kinks I guess but im loving Writing all this With a pen Over Typing with 2 index Fingers lol
Cant Wait to go skating at the Rink when the Shifts over!

Like literally writing with the pen? Or typing with the pen? Tell me more :)

bcv 11-28-2012 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by montreal (Post 56094835)
Fischer and Kristo were in totally different boats. Fischer wasn't signed by the Habs so they gave up his rights. Fischer is in the same boat as current NCAA draft picks, Walsh, Didier, Cichy. Kristo is in the same boat as Bennett, MacMillan and Sullivan.

When you draft a player out of the NCAA, one of two things happen. One is that said player goes to the NCAA right after being drafted. The other is that said player does not go to the NCAA right away.

If said player goes to the NCAA right away, there is no loop hole and said player can only sign with the NHL team that drafted them. The NHL team has to sign the player after he completes his 4th season (unless redshirted which is an injury exemption). In the case of Fischer the Habs opted not to sign him since they would get the 50th overall in place of signing him since he was a 1st round draft pick.

If said player doesn't go to the NCAA right away, and plays in another league the following season after being drafted (like the USHL, BCHL, USHS, etc..) then after his junior year he can opt out of signing with the NHL team that drafted him. To do so he must inform the school he won't be returning and he has to let the NHL team that drafted him know of his intentions before June 1st. If said player opts NOT to become a UFA, then the loop hole is forever closed and said player would be treated just like the group that went directly to the NCAA.

I haven't heard a single word on the future of this loophole. Got to think the Ducks are none to happy with losing Schultz since he's ripping up the AHL after being a top D in the NCAA. Hopefully if the loophole isn't closed, guys like Bennett and MacMillan won't opt out.

Ahh! Thanks a lot Montreal!

PricePkPatch 11-28-2012 05:59 PM

I really don't think Kristo can break it into the NHL next year. I mean, barring a miracle, he still need to eat a few crusts in Hamilton.

People often forget; the NHL is a marathon. 82 games is a huge effort, and one need to know how to pace oneself or one risks running out of gas in the last months and the playoffs.

Seb 11-28-2012 06:02 PM

Won't happen... he's still playing in the NCAA ffs.

Plus he's a bust.


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