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cbcwpg 11-28-2012 11:04 AM

Forbes 2012 annual review of NHL
 
The NHL's Best And Worst Teams For The Buck

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmi...-for-the-buck/

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With those player costs in mind, we wondered which NHL teams have been the best (and worst) per payroll dollar spent since the last lockout. To find out, we compared each team’s player-cost-to-win ratio to the league average over the last seven seasons.

The Sharks were the best team for the buck over the last seven seasons, generating a score of 125 (or 25% better than the average team).

Detroit Red Wings second with a score of 124.

Pittsburgh was third with a score of 123.

Nashville ranks fourth.

In perhaps the least surprising outcome of all, the Toronto Maple Leafs ranked dead last with a score of 77, or 23% worse than the average team.

In fact, the five worst teams for the buck – rounded out by the Blue Jackets (81), Oilers (82), Islanders (87) and Flames (89) – can thank general poor play for their low ranks.

JetsFlyHigh 11-28-2012 11:16 AM

Good for the Sharks. I believe they're spending their money wisely, because they don't really have much of the money cushion Toronto has.

LadyStanley 11-28-2012 11:19 AM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbade...-paid-players/

NHL's highest paid players



(Mod note: seems like the stories are breaking today in drips and drabs. Haven't yet seen link on the finance $$s that most want to see.)

LadyStanley 11-28-2012 11:21 AM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbade...d-off-the-ice/
Highest paid players on & off the ice


http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozan...entire-season/
Lockout could kill entire season

LadyStanley 11-28-2012 11:27 AM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozan...rth-1-billion/

Maple Leafs worth $1B. And other franchise values.

Thinks that team values will increase if 50-50 HRR split with $200mm revenue sharing CBA is put together.

kdb209 11-28-2012 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyStanley (Post 56090645)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozan...rth-1-billion/

Maple Leafs worth $1B. And other franchise values.

Thinks that team values will increase if 50-50 HRR split with $200mm revenue sharing CBA is put together.

The full annual NHL Valuations piece isn't out yet, but hopefully it should be out soon (last years was published on 11/30), so we can argue (again) over the meaningfulness of the numbers - however that Ozanian piece does give a sneak preview:

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But the spread between the rich and poor teams is dramatic. The top five teams–Maple Leafs ($1 billion), New York Rangers ($750 million), Montreal Canadiens ($575 million), Chicago Blackhawks ($350 million) and Boston Bruins ($348 million)–are worth $605 million, on average. The five least valuable–Carolina Hurricanes ($162 million), New York Islanders ($155 million), Columbus Blue Jackets ($145 million), Phoenix Coyotes ($134 million) and St. Louis Blues ($130 million)–are worth just $145 million, on average.

There is also an incredible bifurcation of cash flow. Overall operating income (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) almost doubled during the 2011-12 season, to $250 million. But the sport’s three most profitable teams–Maple Leafs ($81.9 million), Rangers ($74 million), Canadians ($51.6 million)–accounted for 83% of the league’s income, while 13 of 30 teams lost money, before non-cash expenses and interest payments.

Hawkscap 11-28-2012 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyStanley (Post 56090475)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbade...-paid-players/

NHL's highest paid players



(Mod note: seems like the stories are breaking today in drips and drabs. Haven't yet seen link on the finance $$s that most want to see.)

Escapes me how Keith ($8 mil) and Hossa ($7.9 mil) are not on that list.

haseoke39 11-28-2012 12:06 PM

The valuations list:

http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/list/

LadyStanley 11-28-2012 12:20 PM

NHL valuations updated in BOH resources stickied thread (should you care to peruse and compare the last three years).

Gump Hasek 11-28-2012 12:50 PM

Winnipeg Jets - top 10 in operating income
http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations...n:desc_search:

CpatainCanuck 11-28-2012 12:56 PM

MOD

I didn't know about the provision that teams in markets with more than 2.5 million households can't receive revenue sharing.

MarkhamNHL 11-28-2012 01:04 PM

all 7 Canadian teams are in the top 11 in operating income....
:yo:


Winnipeg 13.3 million
Phoenix -20.6 million

Gump Hasek 11-28-2012 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkhamNHL (Post 56093165)
all 7 Canadian teams are in the top 11 in operating income....

By extension one could point out that the NHL should probably revisit its growth strategy, narrow it, and refocus upon more northerly climes with a historic footprint in the sport. Teams located in QC and another in GTA would drive actual league profits versus simple revenues.

viper0220 11-28-2012 01:11 PM

Really nice to a Billion dollar team. Hopefully the LEafs become a playoff team.

Rscorpio 11-28-2012 01:12 PM

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But the sport’s three most profitable teams–Maple Leafs ($81.9 million), Rangers ($74 million), Canadians ($51.6 million)–accounted for 83% of the league’s income, while 13 of 30 teams lost money, before non-cash expenses and interest payments.

ouch...

Beef Invictus 11-28-2012 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gump Hasek (Post 56093289)
By extension one could point out that the NHL should probably revisit its growth strategy, narrow it, and refocus upon more northerly climes with a historic footprint in the sport. Teams located in QC and another in GTA would drive actual league profits versus simple revenues.

One of Bettman's goals is wider TV coverage, I would assume that consolidating the NHL back into Canada doesn't help him do this. That's my hunch at least, no idea if it's correct.

Gump Hasek 11-28-2012 01:21 PM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozan...rth-1-billion/

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If the salary cap were lowered to, say, 50% of revenue and the subsidies from high-revenue teams to their low-revenue rivals were increased to $200 million from the current $150 million, which is essentially where the two sides seem to be headed, small-market team values would get a big boost (as was the case in the NBA when the New Orleans Hornets and Memphis Grizzles sold for $338 million and $330 million, respectively, after the league worked out a new labor pact last year). The league’s overall profitability would also increase. But teams like the Carolina Hurricanes, Phoenix Coyotes, Tampa Bay Lightning, Anaheim Ducks and Columbus Blue Jackets would still have trouble making money unless they went at least two rounds in the playoffs.

Drew Dorweiler, managing partner of Dartmouth Partners in Montreal, thinks the league needs to move some teams. “The Sun Belt has had plenty of time to prove that the viability doesn’t work.” Dorweiler thinks Quebec, where ground has already been broken for a new arena, will eventually get an NHL team, and he also thinks Portland, where minor league hockey is popular, and Seattle, where the city has approved a new arena, would be better cities to house teams than Arizona, North Carolina and Florida, where NHL teams are losing money.

Colin226 11-28-2012 01:24 PM

Devils 9th in revenue.. I'll take that.. Could actually turn some consistently decent profits once we get that arena debt down

Grandpabuzz 11-28-2012 01:24 PM

Really surprised at the debt to value for some of these teams. New Jersey - wow. Even Montreal at 50% is surprising.

No Fun Shogun 11-28-2012 01:26 PM

uh.... any particular reason why the Leafs value almost doubled in the span of a single year according for Forbes?

But neat to see the Hawks above the Bruins and Wings.

viper0220 11-28-2012 01:29 PM

"If the salary cap were lowered to, say, 50% of revenue and the subsidies from high-revenue teams to their low-revenue rivals were increased to $200 million from the current $150 million, which is essentially where the two sides seem to be headed, small-market team values would get a big boost (as was the case in the NBA when the New Orleans Hornets and Memphis Grizzles sold for $338 million and $330 million, respectively, after the league worked out a new labor pact last year). The league’s overall profitability would also increase. But teams like the Carolina Hurricanes, Phoenix Coyotes, Tampa Bay Lightning, Anaheim Ducks and Columbus Blue Jackets would still have trouble making money unless they went at least two rounds in the playoffs."

viper0220 11-28-2012 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by No Fun Shogun (Post 56093741)
uh.... any particular reason why the Leafs value almost doubled in the span of a single year according for Forbes?

But neat to see the Hawks above the Bruins and Wings.




The reason for the Leafs.

"There will always be a huge gap in team values because telecommunications companies like Rogers and Bell Canada can leverage the media rights for the Maple Leafs multiples of what Stillman can command in media fees for the Blues."

Nanuk23 11-28-2012 01:34 PM

The NHL's Best (And Worst) Fans

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christin...nd-worst-fans/

Wingsfan2965* 11-28-2012 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by No Fun Shogun (Post 56093741)
uh.... any particular reason why the Leafs value almost doubled in the span of a single year according for Forbes?

But neat to see the Hawks above the Bruins and Wings.

Considering Chicago is more populated than Detroit and Boston combined, it's rather sad that they weren't ahead before.

syc 11-28-2012 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gump Hasek (Post 56093289)
By extension one could point out that the NHL should probably revisit its growth strategy, narrow it, and refocus upon more northerly climes with a historic footprint in the sport. Teams located in QC and another in GTA would drive actual league profits versus simple revenues.

But then they won't get that billion dollar US TV deal owners were promised 10 years ago...Oh yeah and US based teams ticket sales will take a hit because they will have more teams from Canada coming to town. Ask any US owner and they will tell you they sell less tickets when a Canadian team comes to town.


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