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96 11-28-2012 05:33 PM

All-Time Best Line-Ups on Paper
 
Simple question: Which teams had the strongest rosters on paper? Obviously many of these teams didn't succeed like many predicted, but nonetheless I think it's fun to marvel at how much talent some teams had on their roster at the same time.

P.S. I am sure that this thread has been done before, but I searched and couldn't find anything recent.

Edit: I mean full rosters, not just single lines. My inspiration was a Peter Forsberg highlight video in which I noticed so many star players on the Avalanche at or around the same time...Sakic, Forsberg, Blake, Bourque, Kariya, Selanne, Tanguay, Hejduk, Deadmarsh, Kamensky, Drury...

MessierII 11-28-2012 05:44 PM

87 oilers

Tikkannen Gretzky Kurri
Anderson Messier Nilson
Krushelnysky MacTavish Napier
Hunter McLelland Summanen
McSorely

Coffey Gregg
Lowe Smith
Hudi Muni
Fogolin

Fuhr
Moog

WarriorOfGandhi 11-28-2012 05:46 PM

best since the lockout IMO is the 06 Senators

Izzy 11-28-2012 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarriorOfGandhi (Post 56100245)
best since the lockout IMO is the 06 Senators

Just...
Just a goalie.

96 11-28-2012 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarriorOfGandhi (Post 56100245)
best since the lockout IMO is the 06 Senators

I know they had Alfredsson, Heatley, Spezza, Havlat, Chara, Redden, Fisher, Vermette, Phillips, Volchenkov...wow, you're right that is stacked. What were the lines?

Hawkey Town 18 11-28-2012 05:57 PM

Not sure if this is what you mean, but if you look at the 2002 Red Wings roster as if they were all in their primes it looks unbelievable, and even if you don't it was still the best in the league at the time.


EDIT: Here are some of the more notable players...

Yzerman, Fedorov, Hull, Shanahan, Larionov, Robitaille, Datsyuk, Draper, Lidstrom, Chelios, Duchesne, Olausson, Hasek

HockeyFan100 11-28-2012 06:14 PM

Well, for lines, the only one that comes to my mind at the moment is:

Kariya - Forsberg - Selanne (03-04 Avs)

Selanne and Kariya was always a farce playing together in Anahiem. And with Forsberg... Ugh, why didn't we win the cup that year?!? :(

New Sabres Captain 11-28-2012 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fst6 (Post 56100335)
Just...
Just a goalie.

If you use the 05-06 roster they did...Hasek was playing great, but he got injured of course.

livewell68 11-28-2012 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HockeyFan100 (Post 56100801)
Well, for lines, the only one that comes to my mind at the moment is:

Kariya - Forsberg - Selanne (03-04 Avs)

Selanne and Kariya was always a farce playing together in Anahiem. And with Forsberg... Ugh, why didn't we win the cup that year?!? :(

For one line it's Lemieux-Francis-Jagr for the Penguins in 1996-97.

The 1993 Penguins had one of the best teams on paper.

The Red Line 11-28-2012 07:12 PM

Definitely 02 Red Wings.

JackSlater 11-28-2012 07:25 PM

Late 1950s Montreal is probably the most talented when considering how good the players actually were, as opposed to teams with players who were great but may have been past their best.

livewell68 11-28-2012 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackSlater (Post 56102371)
Late 1950s Montreal is probably the most talented when considering how good the players actually were, as opposed to teams with players who were great but may have been past their best.

That was a great team but the 70's Montreal Canadiens, the 80's Oilers, the Islanders dynasty and the early 90's Penguins teams were all pretty darn good.

MXD 11-28-2012 07:34 PM

Moore - Richard - Richard
Olmstead - Beliveau - Geoffrion
Pronovost - Marshall - Provost
Bonin - Goyette - Mosdell

Harvey - Talbot
Johnson - St-Laurent
Turner

Plante
Hodge

(57-58)

Lose on Backstrom, Ab McDonaled compared to 59, but gain Ken Mosdell and Bert Olmstead. I can't think of any 4 line combo, at any time, that had one (or more) 1st AST, both at F and at D (Turner wasn't playing on a "line" per se...)

overpass 11-28-2012 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 96 (Post 56100449)
I know they had Alfredsson, Heatley, Spezza, Havlat, Chara, Redden, Fisher, Vermette, Phillips, Volchenkov...wow, you're right that is stacked. What were the lines?

There isn't a simple answer to this question.

At the start of the season it was something like this:

Heatley-Spezza-Bochenski
Schaefer-Smolinski-Alfredsson
Havlat-Fisher-Neil
Kelly-Vermette-Varada

But Bochenski flopped and Havlat got hurt within the first 20 games, and Alfredsson was moved to the first line. Then it was something like:

Heatley-Spezza-Alfredsson
Schaefer-Smolinski-Eaves
Vermette-Fisher-Neil
Varada-Kelly-McGrattan

They traded for Tyler Arnason at the deadline, but he was useless and they ended up scratching him. So the playoff lineup with Havlat back was something like this

Heatley-Spezza-F1
F2-Smolinski-Alfredsson
Schaefer-Fisher-Havlat
Varada-F3-F4

Where Neil would slot into F4 or F1, Eaves might be F1, F2, or F4, and Vermette or Kelly might play any of those spots.

pdd 11-28-2012 09:29 PM

The 1995-96 Red Wings.

In names, they were less stacked than the 2001-02 Wings. But in player ability they were better. They had three of the six best defensemen in the league based on Norris voting, plus a top-two goalie, two elite two-way centers, 3-4-5 forwards (Primeau-Kozlov-Larionov) that compared well to most teams' 1-2-3. Add in crazy forward depth (Draper, Ciccarelli, Johnson, Errey, McCarty, Brown, Taylor, Lapointe, Maltby, Grimson) plus top-four caliber defensemen playing in the bottom half (Fetisov, Bergevin, Ramsey, Rouse), and finally a backup goaltender who was a top-15 goalie in the league.

Stacked. Absolutely, completely stacked.

ForsbergForever 11-28-2012 10:43 PM

St. Louis had a top line of Shanahan-Oates-Hull with Cujo in nets in 91-92 before Oates got traded to Boston, point-per-game D-man Jeff Brown was also in the mix for scoring from the blueline. Its also a shame they lost Scott Stevens to Jersey as compensation for signing Shanny, becuase with him added to the mix that's a world-beating starting line-up. GM Ron Caron also foolishly traded away Rod Brind'amour, Geoff Courtnall and Cliff Ronning the previous season, which would have been a dynamite second line. Oh the team that could have been...

RedWingsForPresident 11-29-2012 09:10 AM

2002 Red Wings definitely make an argument:
Brendan Shanahan LW 80 37 38 75 +23 118 23 8 11 19 +5 20
Sergei Fedorov C 81 31 37 68 +20 36 23 5 14 19 +4 20
Brett Hull RW 82 30 33 63 +18 35 23 10 8 18 +1 4
Nicklas Lidstrom D 78 9 50 59 +13 20 23 5 11 16 +6 2
Luc Robitaille LW 81 30 20 50 -2 38 23 4 5 9 +4 10
Steve Yzerman C 52 13 35 48 +11 18 23 6 17 23 +4 10
Igor Larionov C 70 11 32 43 -5 50 18 5 6 11 +5 4
Chris Chelios D 79 6 33 39 +40 126 23 1 13 14 +15 44
Pavel Datsyuk C 70 11 24 35 +4 4 21 3 3 6 +1 2
Kris Draper C 82 15 15 30 +26 56 23 2 3 5 +4 20
Tomas Holmstrom LW 69 8 18 26 -12 58 23 8 3 11 +7 8
Boyd Devereaux C 79 9 16 25 +9 24 21 2 4 6 +5 4
Kirk Maltby LW 82 9 15 24 +15 40 23 3 3 6 7 32
Mathieu Dandenault D 81 8 12 20 -5 44 23 1 2 3 +7 8
Steve Duchesne D 64 3 15 18 +3 28 23 0 6 6 +6 24
Fredrik Olausson D 47 2 13 15 +9 22 21 2 4 6 3 10
Darren McCarty RW 62 5 7 12 +2 98 23 4 4 8 +5 34
Jiri Fischer D 80 2 8 10 +17 67 22 3 3 6 +6 30
Jason Williams C 25 8 2 10 +2 4 9 0 0 0 -1 2
Sean Avery LW 36 2 2 4 +1 68 -- -- -- -- -- --
Maxim Kuznetsov D 39 1 2 3 0 40 -- -- -- -- -- --
Brent Gilchrist* LW 19 1 1 2 -3 8 -- -- -- -- -- --
Jiri Slegr* D 8 0 1 1 +1 8 1 0 0 0 +2 2
Jesse Wallin D 15 0 1 1 -1 13 -- -- -- -- -- --
Uwe Krupp D 8 0 1 1 -1 8 2 0 0 0 -5 2
Yuri Butsayev C 3 0 0 0 -1 0 -- -- -- -- -- --
Ladislav Kohn RW 4 0 0 0 0 4 -- -- -- -- -- --

TAnnala 11-30-2012 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HockeyFan100 (Post 56100801)
Well, for lines, the only one that comes to my mind at the moment is:

Kariya - Forsberg - Selanne (03-04 Avs)

Selanne and Kariya was always a farce playing together in Anahiem. And with Forsberg... Ugh, why didn't we win the cup that year?!? :(

Well Selanne was playing with one leg.

But it was absolutely one of the most promising lines ever.

ForsbergForever 12-02-2012 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HockeyFan100 (Post 56100801)
Well, for lines, the only one that comes to my mind at the moment is:

Kariya - Forsberg - Selanne (03-04 Avs)

Selanne and Kariya was always a farce playing together in Anahiem. And with Forsberg... Ugh, why didn't we win the cup that year?!? :(

I thought the line was Kariya-Sakic-Selanne, I remember it at least started out that way before all the injuries...Tanguay-Forsberg-Hejduk was the top line wasn't it?

bluesfan94 12-02-2012 11:34 PM

1995-1996 St. Louis Blues if everyone was prime:

Stephane Matteau - Wayne Gretzky - Brett Hull
Geoff Courtnall - Dale Hawerchuk - Brian Noonan
Esa Tikkanen - Peter Zezel - Glenn Anderson
Shayne Corson - Adam Creighton - Ian Laperriere
Tony Twist

Al MacInnis - Chris Pronger
Igor Kravchuk - Murray Baron
JJ Daigneault - Jay Wells

Grant Fuhr
Jon Casey

Psycho Papa Joe 12-02-2012 11:59 PM

If we're going by everyone in their prime, I'm picking the 1973 habs who had 11 or 12 future HOFamers.

TheDevilMadeMe 12-03-2012 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psycho Papa Joe (Post 56202283)
If we're going by everyone in their prime, I'm picking the 1973 habs who had 11 or 12 future HOFamers.

1955-56 Canadiens

Centres
4 Jean Beliveau
8 Jack LeClair (A. capt.)
16 Henri Richard
18 Kenny Mosdell


Wingers
5 Bernie Geoffrion
6 Floyd Curry
9 Maurice "Rocket" Richard (A. capt.)
12 Dickie Moore
14 Claude Provost
15 Bert Olmstead
22 Don Marshall


Defencemen
2 Doug Harvey (A. Capt.)
3 Emile "Butch" Bouchard (captain)
10 Tom Johnson
17 Jean-Guy Talbot

19 Dollard St. Laurent
24 Bob Turner

Goaltenders
1 Jacques Plante
1 Charlie Hodge (spare, did not play)


Bolded were all 1st or 2nd Team All Stars at least once in their careers.


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