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intylerwetrust 11-29-2012 09:18 PM

Best HABS goalie of all-time
 
Who was the Habs' greatest goalie DURING their time with the Habs only?

Psycho Papa Joe 11-30-2012 07:32 AM

Although he may have more career accomplishments, in terms of accomplishments as a Hab, Roy is third behind Plante and Dryden.

I'd rank the top Hab goalies of all time in the following manner, taking into account accomplishments as a Hab only:

Plante
Dryden
Roy
Durnan
Hainsworth
Vezina
Worsley
Theodore

Story has yet to written on Price.

Mike Farkas 11-30-2012 08:37 AM

Vezina seems kind of low there, no? How about Wilf Cude? Should be in the Theodore area, I'd think? Just wondering...

Psycho Papa Joe 11-30-2012 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Farkas (Post 56137291)
Vezina seems kind of low there, no? How about Wilf Cude? Should be in the Theodore area, I'd think? Just wondering...

My research indicates Vezina is more legend than great. He happened to die and because he died the Habs donated a trophy in his honour. Hainsworth dominated his position more than Vezina ever did. Same with Durnan.

Theodore did win the Hart, and had a couple of other very good years, so it's tough not to include him some. Is Cude even in the HOF?

Mike Farkas 11-30-2012 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Papa Joe (Post 56137353)
My research indicates Vezina is more legend than great. He happened to die and because he died the Habs donated a trophy in his honour. Hainsworth dominated his position more than Vezina ever did. Same with Durnan.

Theodore did win the Hart, and had a couple of other very good years, so it's tough not to include him some. Is Cude even in the HOF?

Ah, I see. The research in the Goaltenders Project suggests that Hainsworth was just numbers and wasn't well respected at the time (relative to what we'd think based on stats). While Vezina was almost universally touted as fantastic. But I'm not here to start a debate on it, it was just a curious inquisition...

No, Cude is certainly not in the HHOF...Theodore isn't exactly on a one-way ticket there himself, so I figure they would be close. If Iginla simply breaks that tie, I wonder how that changes things - even if not for you specifically - but in general...

tony d 11-30-2012 09:17 AM

Going with Patrick Roy here.

jkrx 11-30-2012 09:23 AM

How about McNeil and Hodge? And with the exception for the Hart year I always though Hackett was better in Habs than Theodore.

Psycho Papa Joe 11-30-2012 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jkrx (Post 56137873)
How about McNeil and Hodge? And with the exception for the Hart year I always though Hackett was better in Habs than Theodore.

Yeah, once you get past Worsley, it's debateable who the next guy is. Even Vachon could get a look. Basically chose Theodore because of the Hart, because that's the only thing that separates himself from a large pack of good, but not great goalies.

Psycho Papa Joe 11-30-2012 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Farkas (Post 56137451)
Ah, I see. The research in the Goaltenders Project suggests that Hainsworth was just numbers and wasn't well respected at the time (relative to what we'd think based on stats). While Vezina was almost universally touted as fantastic. But I'm not here to start a debate on it, it was just a curious inquisition...

No, Cude is certainly not in the HHOF...Theodore isn't exactly on a one-way ticket there himself, so I figure they would be close. If Iginla simply breaks that tie, I wonder how that changes things - even if not for you specifically - but in general...

I could be wrong on Vezina/Hainsworth. That era of hockey history certainly isn't my forte.

JaymzB 11-30-2012 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Farkas (Post 56137451)
Ah, I see. The research in the Goaltenders Project suggests that Hainsworth was just numbers and wasn't well respected at the time (relative to what we'd think based on stats). While Vezina was almost universally touted as fantastic. But I'm not here to start a debate on it, it was just a curious inquisition...

No, Cude is certainly not in the HHOF...Theodore isn't exactly on a one-way ticket there himself, so I figure they would be close. If Iginla simply breaks that tie, I wonder how that changes things - even if not for you specifically - but in general...

I'd say Carey Price may have already passed Cude. He was only starter for 4 years with the Habs, never won a playoff series, and never lead the NHL in a positive category while with the Habs. Price at least won a playoff series, and lead the league in Wins once. Neither played for the Habs during a strong time in the clubs history.

SealsFan 11-30-2012 01:23 PM

I voted for Plante, but these guys are personal faves....

http://www.canadaka.net/modules/Famo...es/Worsley.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TwAbZhMGVE...arliehodge.jpg

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...aynethomas.jpg

ushvinder 11-30-2012 03:41 PM

I would say Roy is right there with Dryden just based on his Habs career. He won 3 vezinas, lead the league in save% for 1988, 2nd team all star in 1991, 3rd best goalie in 1994, and then 2 conn smythes. Dryden's accomplishments are on a loaded team and his career as a hab was much shorter.

Big Phil 11-30-2012 05:32 PM

Hard to imagine this being anyone but Plante. Roy is #2, but if you did a poll on whether he was a better Hab or Av the truth is there'd be some Av votes (although I prefer him as a Hab). The question is, would Roy's 10 years trump Plante's 10 years? Let's not forget, that other than being a vital cog of a dynasty with arguably one retro-Smythe, he also won the Hart in 1962. Got to give it to Plante because Roy's career with Colorado is nearly equal as well

MXD 11-30-2012 05:47 PM

I wonder where to put Vachon...
I mean, he won two Cups, and was a starter for one of them.

Carey Price certainly passed Wilf Cude. Certainly passed Jeff Hackett as well. Some tend to forget that Hackett really only played two seasons with the Habs, and Carey Price had already beaten him as far as Top-10's are concerned... after his ROOKIE season.

Vachon would be ahead of Hackett and Cude as well.

Killion 11-30-2012 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SealsFan (Post 56143103)
I voted for Plante, but these guys are personal faves....

Yep. Charlie Hodge was my favourite as a kid for a coupla years there when he was with Montreal, more so than than the Gumper actually. And Wayne Thomas, well, he wound up in Toronto as you know, and upon retirement, became a Cop. Lengthy career apparently.

Plante
Dryden
Roy


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