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Renegade Stylings 11-30-2012 11:40 AM

LD Morgan Rielly (2012, 5th overall, Toronto) II
 
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Jacob8hockey* 11-30-2012 11:55 AM

I have a feeling that he will have a big point game next game

maplehawk 11-30-2012 12:00 PM

After a slow 3 weeks in November, he's looked the best he has all season in the last 2 games in my opinion. Looks like he'll be hitting his stride just in time for WJ camp, which is good news for Canada.

Atomos2 11-30-2012 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by maplehawk (Post 56141085)
After a slow 3 weeks in November, he's looked the best he has all season in the last 2 games in my opinion. Looks like he'll be hitting his stride just in time for WJ camp, which is good news for Canada.

That's what I like to here.

Rielly is turning it up. Hope he gets more bounces this game. That last breakaway off the post last game was heartbreaking.

conway902 11-30-2012 02:05 PM

Any one know where you can find his stats for Primary vs Secondary assists(with out looking at each game sheet)?

It seems like every time he hits the score sheet its a primary assist or a goal, He doesn't seems to get any points from a simple breakout pass and 2 other guys doing the work.

maplehawk 11-30-2012 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by conway902 (Post 56144065)
Any one know where you can find his stats for Primary vs Secondary assists(with out looking at each game sheet)?

It seems like every time he hits the score sheet its a primary assist or a goal, He doesn't seems to get any points from a simple breakout pass and 2 other guys doing the work.

that's because he is by far the biggest offensive catalyst for MJ. it's rare for that team to create chances when Morgan isn't on the ice. I'd be very interested in seeing stats around what % of MJ's goals Rielly is on the ice for because it will be a huge numer.

TheLeastOfTheBunch 11-30-2012 03:48 PM

I think some were discussing Rielly's shot in the last thread..I have never seen Morgan take a slap shot or a one timer, but he's got a good wrister. He's hit the posts several more than he's scored this season.

Tony Clifton Leaf 11-30-2012 03:52 PM

Here's a nice article from the National Post about Rielly:

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...d-junior-team/

Of course, they do make a pretty dumb mistake by saying Rielly has 5 goals and 25 assits for 30 points when in actuality he has 5 goals and 20 assists for 25 points.

KlattNazty 11-30-2012 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLeastOfTheBunch (Post 56146153)
I think some were discussing Rielly's shot in the last thread..I have never seen Morgan take a slap shot or a one timer, but he's got a good wrister. He's hit the posts several more than he's scored this season.

noted this in last thread, has hit the post on some great goal scoring chances.

and generally i would say that most would have beaten the goalie more often than not.

Fearless Leaf* 11-30-2012 06:26 PM

big game for Rielly and Warriors tonight against Kelowna.

Brody 12-30-2012 05:24 AM

If only he got playing time.

Stahl2Stall 12-30-2012 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Brody (Post 56920845)
If only he got playing time.

Yeah, then Canada would be undefeated

FishManSam 12-30-2012 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Stahl2Stall (Post 56923745)
Yeah, then Canada would be undefeated

Our 1st defensive PP unit is awful, Muprhy-Hamilton cannot create any sort of chances and lack awareness to create. Meanwhile Rielly-Ouellet has been fantastic.

When Rielly's been on the ice he creates the best offense chances compared to any of our other D and he's not the time bomb that Murphy is.

The fact that he's getting probably the 2nd least amount of ice time from our defenders is beyond me.

Harrington
Rielly
Ouellet

In no order have been our best and most consistent defencemen.

Hamilton has been massively underwhelming in both ends of the ice, Reinhart has been quiet but good for the most part, Wotherspoon... same as Reinhart and Murphy has just sucked at everything.

ottsabrefan 12-30-2012 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FishManSam (Post 56923939)
Our 1st defensive PP unit is awful, Muprhy-Hamilton cannot create any sort of chances and lack awareness to create. Meanwhile Rielly-Ouellet has been fantastic.

When Rielly's been on the ice he creates the best offense chances compared to any of our other D and he's not the time bomb that Murphy is.

The fact that he's getting probably the 2nd least amount of ice time from our defenders is beyond me.

Harrington
Rielly
Ouellet

In no order have been our best and most consistent defencemen.

Hamilton has been massively underwhelming in both ends of the ice, Reinhart has been quiet but good for the most part, Wotherspoon... same as Reinhart and Murphy has just sucked at everything.

Take your blinders off, Rielly wasn't anything special today, especially on those 5 on 3s where he had a ton of ice team. You can throw him in that group with Hamilton, Wotherspoon and Reinhart that have had their good and bad moments this tournament. He hasn't been on the same level as Harrington and Ouellet. Nice try!

Phion Keneuf 12-30-2012 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ottsabrefan (Post 56924601)
Take your blinders off, Rielly wasn't anything special today, especially on those 5 on 3s where he had a ton of ice team. You can throw him in that group with Hamilton, Wotherspoon and Reinhart that have had their good and bad moments this tournament. He hasn't been on the same level as Harrington and Ouellet. Nice try!

The same 5 on 3 where he passed it to Hamilton across the ice to only have Hamilton fumble the puck?

ottsabrefan 12-30-2012 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Phion Keneuf (Post 56926989)
The same 5 on 3 where he passed it to Hamilton across the ice to only have Hamilton fumble the puck?

I don't recall them even really having much of a scoring chance on the two 5 on 3's (until they were actually over). They just passed it around and killed time. But, I do recall Hamilton making a great play to stop a nice backdoor pass in the 2nd. It seemed like the PP as a whole was awful, including Murphy, Hamilton and Reilly.

As an unbiased opinion, I thought Hamilton looked much better than Reilly today (not in the previous games).

Beleafer4 12-30-2012 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ottsabrefan (Post 56927485)
I don't recall them even really having much of a scoring chance on the two 5 on 3's (until they were actually over). They just passed it around and killed time. But, I do recall Hamilton making a great play to stop a nice backdoor pass in the 2nd. It seemed like the PP as a whole was awful, including Murphy, Hamilton and Reilly.

As an unbiased opinion, I thought Hamilton looked much better than Reilly today (not in the previous games).

Hamilton was good defensively but annoyed the crap out of me offensively. He is incapable of hitting the net. Why the coach is so insistent in having him on the #1 pp is beyond me.

Rielly wasnt that good today but was still way better than hamilton on the pp. When coach finally decides to put ouellet and rielly on the #1pp, will you actually see the #1pp unit outscore the second.

12345* 12-30-2012 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ottsabrefan (Post 56924601)
Take your blinders off, Rielly wasn't anything special today, especially on those 5 on 3s where he had a ton of ice team. You can throw him in that group with Hamilton, Wotherspoon and Reinhart that have had their good and bad moments this tournament. He hasn't been on the same level as Harrington and Ouellet. Nice try!

Hamilton had good moments? When?

ottsabrefan 12-30-2012 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Beleafer4 (Post 56927645)
Hamilton was good defensively but annoyed the crap out of me offensively. He is incapable of hitting the net. Why the coach is so insistent in having him on the #1 pp is beyond me.

Rielly wasnt that good today but was still way better than hamilton on the pp. When coach finally decides to put ouellet and rielly on the #1pp, will you actually see the #1pp unit outscore the second.

I think it is because Hamilton looks good on the PP in Niagara and SHOULD be playing better than his is. It is tough for Spott to adjust to the fact that this isn't the OHL. It seems like with Spott he wanted them to go into a shell up 2 goals early. I also didn't understand why Reilly and Murphy were paired together coming out of a TV time-out. They were 'lucky' that they only got the Subban penalty against them very early into that shift.

ottsabrefan 12-30-2012 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 12345 (Post 56927779)
Hamilton had good moments? When?

Did you miss that nice play to break up a sure goal down low? Other than that he was steady all game defensively. By far his best game. Still a lot of room for improvement, though.

7even 12-30-2012 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Beleafer4 (Post 56927645)
Hamilton was good defensively but annoyed the crap out of me offensively. He is incapable of hitting the net. Why the coach is so insistent in having him on the #1 pp is beyond me.

Rielly wasnt that good today but was still way better than hamilton on the pp. When coach finally decides to put ouellet and rielly on the #1pp, will you actually see the #1pp unit outscore the second.

I thought today was Hamilton's best of the tourney. Made some great plays defensively with his stick. But he was noticeably off his game in the offensive zone. Rielly I thought actually played really well. He was a lot more loose and I thought he looked solid. Nothing on the scoresheet but he had a few good looks.

Kershaw 12-30-2012 01:48 PM

I believe he hasn't been on for an ES GA.

Smallz 12-30-2012 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Beleafer4 (Post 56927645)
Hamilton was good defensively but annoyed the crap out of me offensively. He is incapable of hitting the net. Why the coach is so insistent in having him on the #1 pp is beyond me.

Rielly wasnt that good today but was still way better than hamilton on the pp. When coach finally decides to put ouellet and rielly on the #1pp, will you actually see the #1pp unit outscore the second.

Exactly this

Anyone who thinks Hamilton was better than Rielly offensively last game (and really the whole tournament) than they haven't been watching that closely.

Hamilton has looked average at best on the PP while Rielly has had moments where he's looked very solid offensively.

No doubt Hamilton has had his moments defensively but offensively he really hasn't done anything that noteworthy

7even 12-30-2012 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tortorella (Post 56930271)
I believe he hasn't been on for an ES GA.

Well that's because he's never out on ES :sarcasm:

Beleafer4 12-30-2012 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 7even (Post 56930237)
I thought today was Hamilton's best of the tourney. Made some great plays defensively with his stick. But he was noticeably off his game in the offensive zone. Rielly I thought actually played really well. He was a lot more loose and I thought he looked solid. Nothing on the scoresheet but he had a few good looks.

I agree it was hamiltons best game, he showed some solid defensive presence, and we really needed that to maintain our lead. It's just offensively I thought he was killing plays. I mean every time on the pp he would miss the net, the americans would clear it and we would have to scramble set up again. To exemplify this using stats: In 3 games hamilton has 3 SOG. 3. This is despite the fact that
-He is #1 in minutes
-He is on the #1pp (has most pp time)
-He is the "shooter" of the pp or of any pairing he is in. Because of his role, he has takes a LOT of shots.

Rielly, who is a "passer" or "ppqb" on the #2pp, and is probably last or second last in minutes played by a defenseman on team canada has 10 shots on net. Hopefully this makes you understand just how bad hamilton's shot has been. I was frustrated watching him miss quality chances, and this is coming from a guy who tolerates phaneuf.

Rielly was okay but nothing great. Had some nice offensive moments but I thought he gave opposing forwards too much space in the defensive zone. They ran around him too much. Offensively he seemed slower and a bit less effective than usual. Wasnt the worst canadian defenseman but not the best, somewhere in the middle.


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