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lboogie42* 12-01-2012 04:57 PM

Anze Kopitar vs Jason Spezza
 
Which center would you rather have for your team and why?

OmniSens 12-01-2012 05:01 PM

Poll was closed before it opened :laugh:

Spezza.

Benny FTW 12-01-2012 05:03 PM

Spezza, better offensively.

Leaf Rocket 12-01-2012 05:04 PM

Kopitar

lboogie42* 12-01-2012 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmniSens (Post 56168279)
Poll was closed before it opened :laugh:

Spezza.

seriously what the heck happened? i did everything i usually do. whyd it close?

MBauer 12-01-2012 05:05 PM

Anze, I'll take the two way center.

ThirdManIn 12-01-2012 05:06 PM

Kopitar. Spezza is better offensively, but not by a lot (1.02PPG v. .91 PPG). Kopitar is better defensively. He is four years younger. Not a huge difference, I know, but still a plus in his column. He is cheaper. Again, not a huge difference (only 200k cap hit), but another plus in his column.

And I can't think of Spezza without thinking of his ridiculous laugh.

ThirdManIn 12-01-2012 05:09 PM

Poll fixed

MessierII 12-01-2012 05:09 PM

Kopi. It's close but it's Kopi that guys good.

lboogie42* 12-01-2012 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThirdManIn (Post 56168415)
Poll fixed

thankyou so much. i dont know what i did wrong. i did what i usually do.

MastuhNinks 12-01-2012 05:14 PM

I think Jason Spezza is the slightly better player right now, but I'll take Kopitar overall as I feel he has yet to hit his prime whereas Spezza is likely passing his soon.

ThirdManIn 12-01-2012 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lboogie42 (Post 56168551)
thankyou so much. i dont know what i did wrong. i did what i usually do.

Could have been a site glitch. It said the poll was open until Dec 6. No worries, though. It was an easy enough fix.

Islanderfan17 12-01-2012 05:27 PM

I'll take Kopitar, I like the overall package he brings over Spezza.

Benny FTW 12-01-2012 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MastuhNinks (Post 56168557)
I think Jason Spezza is the slightly better player right now, but I'll take Kopitar overall as I feel he has yet to hit his prime whereas Spezza is likely passing his soon.

Spezza is 29. Hes still got atleast 5 years in his prime.

Yashintangibles 12-01-2012 05:34 PM

I'm voting Kops here because he's a more complete player overall. Nonetheless, being several years younger in close polls tend to always gives an unfair advantage on HF. We kinda automatically expect that all those talented kids will only get better. Hype for the young guns, I guess.

In reality when you enter the league, It's tough to play at your best for a complete season but it's even harder to do it for years, let alone a supposed constant improvement.

MastuhNinks 12-01-2012 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Benny FTW (Post 56168833)
Spezza is 29. Hes still got atleast 5 years in his prime.

I'm not sure what makes you think a forward's prime lasts until they are 34.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/27...age_medium.jpg
http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2010/...-game-peak-age

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jNIBP3Lhxp...s400/goals.jpg
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=8663 (although this is only goals)

Of course, this is not set in stone, but I think that saying his prime will last for another half decade is more than a little optimistic. Especially considering Spezza had a 3 year stretch where he scored at 1.32, 1.30 and 1.21 points per game, following that with 3 seasons of less than a point per game before his recent resurgence scoring at 1.05 points per game.

keppel146 12-01-2012 05:49 PM

I like Kopitars game. He is like a big Gaborik

ReginKarlssonLehner 12-01-2012 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MastuhNinks (Post 56168557)
I think Jason Spezza is the slightly better player right now, but I'll take Kopitar overall as I feel he has yet to hit his prime whereas Spezza is likely passing his soon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MastuhNinks (Post 56169079)
I'm not sure what makes you think a forward's prime lasts until they are 34.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/27...age_medium.jpg
http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2010/...-game-peak-age

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jNIBP3Lhxp...s400/goals.jpg
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=8663 (although this is only goals)

Of course, this is not set in stone, but I think that saying his prime will last for another half decade is more than a little optimistic. Especially considering Spezza had a 3 year stretch where he scored at 1.32, 1.30 and 1.21 points per game, following that with 3 seasons of less than a point per game before his recent resurgence scoring at 1.05 points per game.

What are you talking about? Spezza had the best line in hockey when he was producing at the level of 1.3 and 1.2. He had two 100 point players and he himself was producing at 100 point seasons if his seasons weren't cut short.

Spezza remains near or over ppg the past 3 years with 3rd line or AHL linemates in Bobby Butler, Colin Greening, Ryan Shannon, Randy Robataille.

Last year he was still playing with Colin Greening and an average Michalek yet he bumped both their numbers up and his own passing the PPG mark.

Spezza with proper linemates can eclipse the 100 point mark he isn't close to passing his prime. If anything, Spezza is playing his best hockey ever.

Vankiller Whale 12-01-2012 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MastuhNinks (Post 56169079)
I'm not sure what makes you think a forward's prime lasts until they are 34.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/27...age_medium.jpg
http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2010/...-game-peak-age

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jNIBP3Lhxp...s400/goals.jpg
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=8663 (although this is only goals)

Of course, this is not set in stone, but I think that saying his prime will last for another half decade is more than a little optimistic. Especially considering Spezza had a 3 year stretch where he scored at 1.32, 1.30 and 1.21 points per game, following that with 3 seasons of less than a point per game before his recent resurgence scoring at 1.05 points per game.

I'd assume elite forwards have a longer shelf life than other forwards. Especially when they don't play a power game.

Anyways Kopitar for me because he's less injury prone. Spezza's better by a bit though.

MAK19 12-01-2012 06:31 PM

Kopitar. Just as good offensively and better defensively.

Richie10 12-01-2012 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReginKarlssonLehner (Post 56169365)
What are you talking about? Spezza had the best line in hockey when he was producing at the level of 1.3 and 1.2. He had two 100 point players and he himself was producing at 100 point seasons if his seasons weren't cut short.

Spezza remains near or over ppg the past 3 years with 3rd line or AHL linemates in Bobby Butler, Colin Greening, Ryan Shannon, Randy Robataille.

Last year he was still playing with Colin Greening and an average Michalek yet he bumped both their numbers up and his own passing the PPG mark.

Spezza with proper linemates can eclipse the 100 point mark he isn't close to passing his prime. If anything, Spezza is playing his best hockey ever.

This always comes up during Ottawa players v. LA players polls, but the teams play completely opposite systems. If guys like Kopitar played in Ottawa's system, they'd put up a ton more points. Kopitar is one of the most defensively responsible centers in the league with consistent top line matchups and defensive zone starts. Kopitar's advanced statistics, especially fenwick, annihilate most of Spezza's.

OMadahey 12-01-2012 06:38 PM

For right now I'd take spezza for the long term I'd pick kopitar. Only because of age. But spezza was the better player last year

Takashi 12-01-2012 06:39 PM

Kopitar

Micklebot 12-01-2012 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MastuhNinks (Post 56169079)
I'm not sure what makes you think a forward's prime lasts until they are 34.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/27...age_medium.jpg
http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2010/...-game-peak-age

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jNIBP3Lhxp...s400/goals.jpg
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=8663 (although this is only goals)

Of course, this is not set in stone, but I think that saying his prime will last for another half decade is more than a little optimistic. Especially considering Spezza had a 3 year stretch where he scored at 1.32, 1.30 and 1.21 points per game, following that with 3 seasons of less than a point per game before his recent resurgence scoring at 1.05 points per game.


tend to agree that a forwards prime generally won't last until 34, but at the same time, I definitely don't agree that a forwards prime is a function of his point production.

Also, at least the first graph studied a period of Seasons (83-2000) durring which a there was a steady drop in scoring league wide, from 7.8 GPG to 7 at the mid point, all the way down to 5.5 GPG by the end. So when that first group of players reached 29 years of age, league wide scoring had dropped almost a GPG, and by the time the last group studied reached 29, scoring had gone from about 6.8 all the way down to 5.5, a goal and a half less per game. Given that Assists per Goal throughout the period stayed relatively stagnant at around 1.6 to 1.7, and the players studied had a worst of about .385 pts/g to a best of .455, it seams as though the league wide scoring had a bigger effect than did their respective ages, or at very least added a substantial amount of noise to the data making the chart relatively useless when trying to gauge a players peak point production years.

bp spec 12-01-2012 07:15 PM

Would like Kopitar as our second center behind Giroux. He's better defensively.


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