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DontgoZiggy 12-03-2012 12:32 PM

Who wants Jonathan Bernier?
 
I thought i'd re open a can of worms. What teams are in the market for a goalie?

I'd be after young scoring wingers or picks or young defensive dmen that can hit. Perhaps a combination of each depending on whose being offered

WhitePony 12-03-2012 12:34 PM

If there is no season and Nabokov walks from the Isles, they may want a #1 to hold the fort while Nilsson/Poulin back up.

seafoam 12-03-2012 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhitePony (Post 56210087)
If there is no season and Nabokov walks from the Isles, they may want a #1 to hold the fort while Nilsson/Poulin back up.

Since when was Bernier a number one?

CREW99AW 12-03-2012 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhitePony (Post 56210087)
If there is no season and Nabokov walks from the Isles, they may want a #1 to hold the fort while Nilsson/Poulin back up.



Nabakov's drinking the kool aide on LI. He talks about them not being far off from a becoming a playoff team.

The isles situation assures him of getting the bulk of the starts(according to Botta).

The $2.75m the isles gave him for 2012-2013, is more then most teams would have offered him.


If the 2012-2013 season is wiped out, but we get the 2013-2014 season in, why wouldn't Nabokov want to sign another 1 yr deal with the NYI and why wouldn't the isles want him back, mentoring Nilson/Poulin?

DontgoZiggy 12-03-2012 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seafoam (Post 56210429)
Since when was Bernier a number one?

He's a potential number one, Ideally he'd be put in a similar situation as he was in LA, battling it out with another potential number one or splitting 50/50 with an aging number 1.

Tony Clifton Leaf 12-03-2012 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DontgoZiggy (Post 56210057)
I thought i'd re open a can of worms. What teams are in the market for a goalie?

I'd be after young scoring wingers or picks or young defensive dmen that can hit. Perhaps a combination of each depending on whose being offered

Kulemin/Macarthur + Holzer + Scrivens would be my offer from a Leafs POV.

The Kings get a fairly young scoring winger, a young defensive d-man, and a young goalie who could back-up for Quick.

The Leafs don't give up any core pieces and acquire a goalie with # 1 potential.

Crede777 12-03-2012 01:07 PM

Plenty of teams are on the market for a young goalie.

LA would be unwise to give him up at this point. They do need to allow him to breathe a bit more though, getting only 16 games a season or whatever won't cut it. He needs to get 20 in the NHL and more in the AHL until waiver claim becomes a worry.

Columbus was interested but apparently LA's demands are quite high. I think he'll get the Cory Schneider treatment.

DontgoZiggy 12-03-2012 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobloblawLeaf (Post 56210891)
Kulemin/Macarthur + Holzer + Scrivens would be my offer from a Leafs POV.

The Kings get a fairly young scoring winger, a young defensive d-man, and a young goalie who could back-up for Quick.

The Leafs don't give up any core pieces and acquire a goalie with # 1 potential.

I would think Lombardi would grab that and run

OkimLom 12-03-2012 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DontgoZiggy (Post 56210057)
I thought i'd re open a can of worms. What teams are in the market for a goalie?

I'd be after young scoring wingers or picks or young defensive dmen that can hit. Perhaps a combination of each depending on whose being offered

Personally,
From Buffalo:
I start with a package of McNabb + Enroth. If not McNabb I think a kid like Lepkowski young prospect that is a stay-at home defenseman that enjoys to hit, would be a good fit in LA. To be honest, I'm not sure how LA's goalie pipeline is looking right now. So thats why I would inlcude Enroth. If LA's GM wants to go mobile, I would do a Sekera + Enroth deal.

From Los Angeles:
Bernier

DontgoZiggy 12-03-2012 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OkimLom (Post 56211085)
Personally,
From Buffalo:
I start with a package of McNabb + Enroth. If not McNabb I think a kid like Lepkowski young prospect that is a stay-at home defenseman that enjoys to hit, would be a good fit in LA. To be honest, I'm not sure how LA's goalie pipeline is looking right now. So thats why I would inlcude Enroth. If LA's GM wants to go mobile, I would do a Sekera + Enroth deal.

From Los Angeles:
Bernier

Id definately do Bernier for Mcnabb + Enroth

That seems like overpayment to me

RealisticLeaf55 12-03-2012 02:41 PM

Mac, Scrivens and a 2nd is the best you will get out of me

Mystlyfe 12-03-2012 02:49 PM

All of these packages seem like overpayment for Bernier.

Tony Clifton Leaf 12-03-2012 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DontgoZiggy (Post 56211011)
I would think Lombardi would grab that and run

It would probably have to be Macarthur not Kulemin in that package, and the Kings might have to add a 3rd round pick to even out the value, but I would certainly prefer the Leafs go after Bernier over chasing Luongo. Berniers age fits in much better with the group of young players we already have. I would be confident going into the year with a Bernier and Reimer tandem that one of them would win the # 1 position and run with it.

Macrthur + Holzer + Scrivens

for

Bernier + 3rd round pick 2013

We have the assets to improve our goaltending situation, and I think Burke will pull the trigger on a deal shortly after the lockout ends.

After this deal, the Leafs roster would look like:

Lupul-Bozak-Kessel
JVR-Grabo-Kulemin
Kadri-Mcclement-Frattin
Komarov-Steckel-Brown
Connolly, Lombardi, Colborne

Gunnar-Phaneuf
Gardiner-Franson
Liles-Komisarek
Ranger, Fraser, Kostka, Blacker

Bernier
Reimer

I think this team is better than the Leafs team we have right now, and if Bernier lives up to his potential it could be a fantastic trade long term. The Kings get some good depth guys in Macarthur and Holzer, and a replacement back-up for Bernier.

jumptheshark 12-03-2012 04:30 PM

oilers would like him very much

Vankiller Whale 12-03-2012 04:33 PM

Now I haven't seen that much of Bernier's play, but what does he have over other young goalies like Reimer or Dubnyk?

OilerTyler 12-03-2012 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jumptheshark (Post 56215773)
oilers would like him very much

I'd pass on Bernier.

thadd 12-03-2012 04:40 PM

toronto and philly

Liferleafer 12-03-2012 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale (Post 56215825)
Now I haven't seen that much of Bernier's play, but what does he have over other young goalies like Reimer or Dubnyk?

A cup ring?

gooilgo 12-03-2012 04:48 PM

I could see the Oilers being interested when Khabby is done.
A tandem of Dubey and Bernier might be good.

DontgoZiggy 12-03-2012 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealisticLeaf55 (Post 56213197)
Mac, Scrivens and a 2nd is the best you will get out of me

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobloblawLeaf (Post 56215693)
It would probably have to be Macarthur not Kulemin in that package, and the Kings might have to add a 3rd round pick to even out the value, but I would certainly prefer the Leafs go after Bernier over chasing Luongo. Berniers age fits in much better with the group of young players we already have. I would be confident going into the year with a Bernier and Reimer tandem that one of them would win the # 1 position and run with it.

Macrthur + Holzer + Scrivens

for

Bernier + 3rd round pick 2013

We have the assets to improve our goaltending situation, and I think Burke will pull the trigger on a deal shortly after the lockout ends.

After this deal, the Leafs roster would look like:

Lupul-Bozak-Kessel
JVR-Grabo-Kulemin
Kadri-Mcclement-Frattin
Komarov-Steckel-Brown
Connolly, Lombardi, Colborne

Gunnar-Phaneuf
Gardiner-Franson
Liles-Komisarek
Ranger, Fraser, Kostka, Blacker

Bernier
Reimer

I think this team is better than the Leafs team we have right now, and if Bernier lives up to his potential it could be a fantastic trade long term. The Kings get some good depth guys in Macarthur and Holzer, and a replacement back-up for Bernier.

I was definately more interested in Kulemin than MacArthur, especially considering Macs on an expiring contract. I don't think that deal is enough to get lombardis attention, especially if we need to add a 3rd.

MJMazzarone 12-03-2012 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DontgoZiggy (Post 56210057)
I thought i'd re open a can of worms. What teams are in the market for a goalie?

I'd be after young scoring wingers or picks or young defensive dmen that can hit. Perhaps a combination of each depending on whose being offered

In the awkward category what do you think it would take for the Devils to take Bernier off the Kings hands? I'm terrible with these kinds of proposals but I would love to have Bernier on the Devils. Fact is, who knows if Wedgewood is going to pan out and I'm not sold that Kinkaid has the potential to be a starter in the NHL. In fact at best and based off of prior numbers I wouldn't be shocked if he is nothing more then a career backup at best.

gooilgo 12-03-2012 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobloblawLeaf (Post 56210891)
Kulemin/Macarthur + Holzer + Scrivens would be my offer from a Leafs POV.

The Kings get a fairly young scoring winger, a young defensive d-man, and a young goalie who could back-up for Quick.

The Leafs don't give up any core pieces and acquire a goalie with # 1 potential.

I think that is overpayment for Bernier.

The Zetterberg Era 12-03-2012 05:03 PM

I thought Bernier was the best of the big backups going into last year. I know that seems a little crazy but I am very high on him. It is shocking that he hasn't been moved for me, I assume it is because his price tag is so high. Since I root for Stevie Y second as a Detroit fan, I had really hoped he would go get him in Tampa.

In my opinion LA would be wise to move him out of conference. I don't know why they would help Edmonton that much moving forward or offer a Chicago that kind of life raft.

DontgoZiggy 12-03-2012 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJMazzarone (Post 56216299)
In the awkward category what do you think it would take for the Devils to take Bernier off the Kings hands? I'm terrible with these kinds of proposals but I would love to have Bernier on the Devils. Fact is, who knows if Wedgewood is going to pan out and I'm not sold that Kinkaid has the potential to be a starter in the NHL. In fact at best and based off of prior numbers I wouldn't be shocked if he is nothing more then a career backup at best.

I dont know, tedenby and a prospect like Urbom? Is that too steep for a potential number one?

gabeliscious 12-03-2012 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DontgoZiggy (Post 56216193)
I was definately more interested in Kulemin than MacArthur, especially considering Macs on an expiring contract. I don't think that deal is enough to get lombardis attention, especially if we need to add a 3rd.


leafs arent really in a position to move kulemin. he is a little too good to give up for something not established. i think bernier has a lot of potential and draft pedigree but i think kulemin is a bit much to give up for something unproven.

i think a prospect like kadri is closer to berniers value. i would also move mac +for bernier, not sure what you would want the + to be?


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