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fuhr 12-05-2012 09:55 AM

If healthy, Oilers D could be far better than expected
 
The potential for things to start turning around starting this year is there. Really like the idea of a top four of Smid-J.Schultz and Whitney-Petry.Neither would be a true first pairing but it is a step in the right direction.

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OneMoreAstronaut 12-05-2012 09:59 AM

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If healthy
So we're screwed is what you're saying

joestevens29 12-05-2012 10:00 AM

Petry not playing could end up hurting us.

Silver 12-05-2012 10:16 AM

Is the answer Jesus?

Because unless Schultz is the second coming of Bobby Orr and can play 40 minutes a night, and none of the other three NHL-caliber D we have get hurt, we should be in good shape.

And if not, we've always got the MVP back in net, or if you'd prefer the young goalie who's had most of his career games played for a team in tank mode where he was expected to lose.

worraps 12-05-2012 10:29 AM

If Whitney is truly healthy, Smid is ok (there seems to be some uncertainty about this still), Schultz continues along his current path, and no one else gets injured, the Oilers will have a decent defensive corps this season.

That is a helluva lot of ifs.

franfrey* 12-05-2012 11:37 AM

The third pairing will be bleeding goals against I tell ya!
Potter-Peckham :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

:help::help::help::help:

misfit 12-05-2012 11:43 AM

Smid/Petry haven't been together long, but they had a fair amount of success when they were. If they can build on that chemistry rather than going the other way with it, they could be a very serviceable top pairing. In a perfect world you've got an elite defenseman anchoring the top spot allowing Smid-Petry to be the 2nd pair, but those players are hard to come by.

If any of Justin Schultz's play in the AHL carries over into the NHL, then he could help out a lot sooner than most of us expected. A steady vetran LD like Nick Schultz could be the ideal compliment in both style, and to have someone to cover for the inevitable "young defenseman" issues that every defenseman in history has experienced. Scott Hannan did an excellent job in that role with both Josh Gorges and M-E Vlasic in San Jose. The other way to do it is if you have a healthy Whitney, you can play him at RD with Schultz like they did last year and have a 1A/1B situation and it allows J.Schultz to play even more sheltered minutes at ES and still giving him time on the #1PP unit.

Asuming Whitney isn't at 100% (which he may never be again), then he anchors your 3rd pair quite nicely. He played well with Potter in the past, but who knows if Potter even makes the team this year. Peckham could be the guy, or Teubert, or any number of vetran free agents still out there (Eeaton/Commodore/White).


So yeah, the defense could be alright, but we're also assuming players who historically have issues with injuries (Smid/Whitney) will be healthy and that the young guys will step in and continue to improve without taking a step back.

BoldNewLettuce 12-05-2012 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by worraps (Post 56260073)
If Whitney is truly healthy, Smid is ok (there seems to be some uncertainty about this still), Schultz continues along his current path, and no one else gets injured, the Oilers will have a decent defensive corps this season.

That is a helluva lot of ifs.

that is four ifs.

nexttothemoon 12-05-2012 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Yourface (Post 56261699)
The third pairing will be bleeding goals against I tell ya!
Potter-Peckham :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

:help::help::help::help:

Peckham actually doesn't bleed a lot of goals against. Even plus minus last season and -5 season before... not bad overall really. Potter on the other hand... yes.

3rd pairing isn't really the issue anyway... if the top 4 can stay healthy then the Oilers are solid... of course when those bottom pairing guys are playing up in the #3/#4 spots for extended periods... that's where the **** hits the fan every season... regularly.

franfrey* 12-05-2012 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nexttothemoon (Post 56262295)
Peckham actually doesn't bleed a lot of goals against. Even plus minus last season and -5 season before... not bad overall really. Potter on the other hand... yes.

3rd pairing isn't really the issue anyway... if the top 4 can stay healthy then the Oilers are solid... of course when those bottom pairing guys are playing up in the #3/#4 spots for extended periods... that's where the **** hits the fan every season... regularly.

The fact that we HAVE to ice such an atrocious pairing is a testament to our very poor depth at that position.
And with so many ifs in the health department on our blue line, it could prove to be disastrous.

nexttothemoon 12-05-2012 01:04 PM

No doubt the Oilers dman depth is the achilles heel of the team (the biggest one anyway)... but they are obviously going with internal development of their dman prospects and "eventually" Klefbom/Marincin/Gernat/Musil/Teubert/Fedun etc will fill out the depth... of course that's a few years away.

I think shorter term they need another decent solid vet dman like Sutton who will leave a pretty big hole on the blueline if he does retire.

N Schultz J Schultz
Smid Petry
Whitney Sutton
Peckham Potter

That group looks a lot better with a guy like Sutton in there than without him.

joestevens29 12-05-2012 01:07 PM

Wouldn't have to worry as much about depth if we actually had players that are top pairing d-men.

Lacaar 12-05-2012 01:20 PM

Like everyone is saying. We'll probably be decent if they stay healthy. Maybe even above decent if Whitney truly returns to form.

Unfortunately history has shown we can't stay healthy and we really have poor depth.

Whitney, J.Schultz,N.Schult,Smid,Petry 1-5
Potter, Peckham 6/7

Who's our callups?
Teubert, Plante, Marincin
- If Teubert and Plante were playing great in the AHL we'd be in better shape. From what I've heard isn't really the case though. Then perhaps we'd be alright.
- The one guy playing good in the AHL is a rookie pro.

I do think the keys to a successful season for us.
1) Healthy defence.
2) Improved Veteran performances from Gagner, Horcoff, Hemsky,Belanger to tip the scales.
3) Continued success and improvement from Hall, Ebs, RNH.
4) Some sandpaper grit so we're not an easy team to play against. this one may be tough. Eager?

nexttothemoon 12-05-2012 01:23 PM

Honestly though... depth is critical because even if they had a true top pairing guy... he goes down to injury and you are in that exact same position again. If they had more #3/4/5 quality dmen that's crucial because then you aren't sliding #6/#7 guys up to levels they shouldn't be playing at every time there is an injury.

Clone a Sutton.. or another Nick Schultz and you are Golden imo.

jukon 12-05-2012 01:35 PM

Healthy Oilers. That's an oxymoron.

The Nuge 12-05-2012 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Yourface (Post 56261699)
The third pairing will be bleeding goals against I tell ya!
Potter-Peckham :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

:help::help::help::help:

Nick Schultz?

awesomo 12-05-2012 01:42 PM

This happens every year and the answer is still no.

joestevens29 12-05-2012 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by awesomo (Post 56265787)
This happens every year and the answer is still no.

Pretty much.

Skm 12-05-2012 02:12 PM

Nahhhhhhhh

franfrey* 12-05-2012 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Nuge (Post 56265717)
Nick Schultz?

Woops, I completely forgot about the other Schultz! :facepalm:

Yeah, it doesn't look nearly as bad anymore haha.

Moonlapse Vertigo 12-05-2012 03:06 PM

Not really, and without the toughness of Andy Sutton on the backend we have a bunch of creampuffs back there.

Does somebody have a free agent list handy? Because with the NHL about to start back up we need some help. Badly.

scid14 12-05-2012 03:22 PM

I agree that our D could be better than expected if they are all healthy. Although in saying that we definitely could use some help.

Smid - Petry
Schultz - Schultz
Whitney - Peckham

Petry not playing right now is a little concerning, would be worse if the lockout goes all year.

Smid has the meniscus problems? Not sure where he is at with that.

The Schultz's seem to be okay?

Whitney, if he returns to form will be a big boost for us.

Peckham hopefully can get back on track. He took a step backwards last year but we will see what happens this year.

Lots and lots of question marks though.

franfrey* 12-05-2012 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonlapse Vertigo (Post 56268699)
Not really, and without the toughness of Andy Sutton on the backend we have a bunch of creampuffs back there.

Does somebody have a free agent list handy? Because with the NHL about to start back up we need some help. Badly.

If Peckham and Whitney could revert back to their 2010-2011 forms, I'd be happy.
Nonetheless, I agree that we should try to sign a veteran D-man.

joestevens29 12-05-2012 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonlapse Vertigo (Post 56268699)
Not really, and without the toughness of Andy Sutton on the backend we have a bunch of creampuffs back there.

Does somebody have a free agent list handy? Because with the NHL about to start back up we need some help. Badly.

I make a pitch for Greene.

nexttothemoon 12-05-2012 04:04 PM

As far as free agents go its pretty slim pickings out there for experienced dmen:

Clark, Brett
Campoli, Chris
Spacek, Jaroslav
Eaton, Mark
Foster, Kurtis
Huskins, Kent
White, Colin
Jones, Randy
Mottau, Mike
O'Donnell, Sean
Rodney, Bryan
Commodore, Mike
Bell, Brendan
Vandermeer, Jim

That's the list of unsigned UFA dmen from Capgeek.

If I HAD to take one of those, I think I'd go with Vandermeer again. Brings some toughness and grit into the lineup and he's stable and experienced enough that he's not going to hemorrhage goals when he's out there.


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