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pdd 12-05-2012 11:22 PM

Wings' spare parts for defense
 
Detroit would like to improve the defense. Detroit has 17 NHL-ready forwards signed, and is going to be getting rid of likely two of them. What would be the value for two of Detroit's depth forwards (Abdelkader, Miller, Emmerton, Mursak, Eaves) plus a defensemen (White, Quincey, Kindl, Colaiacovo) in a trade to add a top-four (preferably top-two) defensive defenseman?

Legionnaire 12-05-2012 11:31 PM

White, Quincey and Kindl should all play a big role with the club. There really isn't much point of adding through subtraction. I believe you already have a top two defensive defenseman with Kronwall, so IMO it's adding a number one D-man or bust from Detroit's perspective.

y2kcanucks 12-05-2012 11:36 PM

I'd do Ballard for Abdelkader straight up. Based on how the Wings organization has successfully turned around the dying careers of other players in the past, it could be a good deal for both teams.

Legionnaire 12-05-2012 11:42 PM

I think Ballard would be a good fit in Detroit.

Hugo Sham 12-05-2012 11:45 PM

habs have kaberle, weber and maybe Diaz (for a bigger price) available. cmon you can have a puck moving swiss dman to make brunner feel at home

won't cost you more than a 3rd or 4th

StringerBell 12-06-2012 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kcanucks (Post 56287311)
I'd do Ballard for Abdelkader straight up. Based on how the Wings organization has successfully turned around the dying careers of other players in the past, it could be a good deal for both teams.

Who takes Ballard's spot?

Phion Keneuf 12-06-2012 12:10 AM

Miller for Franson?

Maybe leafs can add for Mursak as well

Cogburn 12-06-2012 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StringerBell (Post 56288755)
Who takes Ballard's spot?

For the number of minutes he plays...anyone?

I like Ballard, I'm a booster of his, but he won't get a chance here with AV. If Detroit would like him, not for free of course, I'm open to a trade involving him for something around Abdelkader. A conditional second based on games played or on Detroit making the second round of the playoffs or something?

If not, meh, we can afford him as a fifth defender this year, and between him, Edler and Garrison, we're set in our bottom 4 in terms of talent before even mentioning Tanev or our prospects taking a step forward.

Flames rebuilder 12-06-2012 12:24 AM

I know it's been discussed but...

Jay Bouwmeester
Greg Nemisz
For
Kyle Quincey
2013 1st
Martin Frk

Wingsfan2965* 12-06-2012 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flames rebuilder (Post 56289501)
I know it's been discussed but...

Jay Bouwmeester
Greg Nemisz
For
Kyle Quincey
2013 1st
Martin Frk

Wings get hosed considering Quincey's stats are nearly identical to Bouwmeester's.

Cogburn 12-06-2012 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wingsfan2965 (Post 56289999)
Wings get hosed considering Quincey's stats are nearly identical to Bouwmeester's.

I don't think it's that far off, as an outsider anyway. Bouwmeester, for all the crap he gets with that contract, has been the first defenseman the Flames have had in the last few years that had me legitimately worried about getting only crap scoring chances. Quincey isn't even in the same conversation, but Frk and a 1st for Nemisz is a little more then the difference between the two defenders. Calgary adds a little IMO, but J-Bo would be the best quality defender available that wouldn't cost an arm, a leg and Frk and that 1st.

JuniorNelson 12-06-2012 01:07 AM

I'd rather move Edler for Abdelkader. Edler would be worth more if he was signed.

Cardiac_Canes 12-06-2012 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuniorNelson (Post 56290447)
I'd rather move Edler for Abdelkader. Edler would be worth more if he was signed.

Wait, what?

I'm confused.

pdd 12-06-2012 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wingsfan2965 (Post 56289999)
Wings get hosed considering Quincey's stats are nearly identical to Bouwmeester's.

Which stats? offensive?

Bouwmeester's been playing in a defensive role in Calgary; Quincey's been allowed to play as an offensive defenseman/PP specialist in both LA and Colorado. I'd do that deal instantly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuniorNelson (Post 56290447)
I'd rather move Edler for Abdelkader. Edler would be worth more if he was signed.

I'd do that...

So far, with those two deals, we've got a defense corps that looks something like this:

Kronwall/White
Edler/Bouwmeester
Smith/Ericsson
Kindl

Works for me.

The Zetterberg Era 12-06-2012 01:26 AM

Don't see the Wings taking on Ballard if for no other reason than it helps the Canucks lock up the guy the Wings are truly interested in. The Wings want Edler, the scouting staff was very high on him going into the draft, we know they like him. Why would they help them make sure he never sees the market.

Also the Wings value picks a little more these days. I have my doubts they will truly include that 1st pick for JayBo. They might give you Frk or the 1st but probably not both. Of course we have gone back and forth on that trade for months, it is pretty clear both fanbases hate the value each wants included. I don't know what the price would be, but I am fairly certain we know where it is going on this board and that hasn't been a pretty place in the past.

The Zetterberg Era 12-06-2012 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva unit zero (Post 56290593)
Which stats? offensive?

Bouwmeester's been playing in a defensive role in Calgary; Quincey's been allowed to play as an offensive defenseman/PP specialist in both LA and Colorado. I'd do that deal instantly.



I'd do that...

So far, with those two deals, we've got a defense corps that looks something like this:

Kronwall/White
Edler/Bouwmeester
Smith/Ericsson
Kindl

Works for me.

I would hope you would do that Vancouver certainly won't. But these moves basically mean goodbye to Howard and Filppula in the offseason.

MasterDecoy 12-06-2012 01:55 AM

you can have kaberle for a tim horton's jelly donut

AJ SF4L 12-06-2012 02:02 AM

In another thread Douglas Murray for Abdelkader was suggested. I think that sounds like a solid deal. Detroit gains a rugged defenseman and San Jose strengthens their weak bottom 6.

The Red Line 12-06-2012 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phion Keneuf (Post 56288883)
Miller for Franson?

Maybe leafs can add for Mursak as well

I'd do that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flames rebuilder (Post 56289501)
I know it's been discussed but...

Jay Bouwmeester
Greg Nemisz
For
Kyle Quincey
2013 1st
Martin Frk

Maybe not a first round pick, but sure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ SF4L (Post 56291033)
In another thread Douglas Murray for Abdelkader was suggested. I think that sounds like a solid deal. Detroit gains a rugged defenseman and San Jose strengthens their weak bottom 6.

Value is there in terms of the quality of players, but being that Murray will be a UFA and that Abby just signed a solid deal at low cap hit, I don't think it works. If Murray wasn't a UFA I'd probably be in.

palindrom 12-06-2012 06:47 AM

any interest in Kaberle?

pdd 12-06-2012 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedWings19405 (Post 56290743)
I would hope you would do that Vancouver certainly won't. But these moves basically mean goodbye to Howard and Filppula in the offseason.

Howard would be priority 1, and the cheapest piece. It might mean keeping only one of Filppula or Edler, but not losing both.

Quote:

Originally Posted by palindrom (Post 56292207)
any interest in Kaberle?

Kaberle's a PMD but he's not really an upgrade on White/Smith/Quincey/Kindl. Five years ago, sure. Now, not so much.

Flames rebuilder 12-06-2012 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Red Line (Post 56291079)
I'd do that.



Maybe not a first round pick, but sure.



Value is there in terms of the quality of players, but being that Murray will be a UFA and that Abby just signed a solid deal at low cap hit, I don't think it works. If Murray wasn't a UFA I'd probably be in.

Calgary doesn't take much less, otherwise there's no point in moving him. If the wings want to keep there 1st, they'll have to upgrade the prospect. JayBo for Quincey+Sproul

Liferleafer 12-06-2012 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterDecoy (Post 56290995)
you can have kaberle for a tim horton's jelly donut

Nope...he's worth no more than an old fashioned....and i'm not talking glazed.

pdd 12-06-2012 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flames rebuilder (Post 56294031)
Calgary doesn't take much less, otherwise there's no point in moving him. If the wings want to keep there 1st, they'll have to upgrade the prospect. JayBo for Quincey+Sproul

I actually might be more interested in this than Quincey/1st/Frk.

Simply because getting JBo in this deal would give the Wings this defense:

Kronwall/White
JBo/Smith
Kindl/Ericsson
Colaiacovo

Kronwall is the only guy on that unit who is 30+. Upgrading Quincey to Jbo might be worth losing Sproul instead of the 1st, as the 1st could potentially be a better player anyway.

White Goodman 12-06-2012 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liferleafer (Post 56294125)
Nope...he's worth no more than an old fashioned....and i'm not talking glazed.

But those are god damn gross. :amazed:


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