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Big Phil 12-06-2012 05:40 PM

Canada's biggest rival? USA or Russia
 
Okay, who is Canada's biggest rival? Which team do you get up for the most? What team do you think the players get pumped up for the most?

I am going to assume that from an all-time standpoint we can pretty much agree that Canada/Russia is significantly the biggest rivalry. There has just been too much elite hockey between the two nations and the USA hasn't been good enough for that long to compete.

But where are we currently? Has the USA now become Canada's greatest rival currently?

When you think of this take into account all tournaments. Olympics, World Juniors, etc.

Moore Money 12-06-2012 05:42 PM

USA is a tougher matchup with their great speed, defense and goaltending. Not sure about rival, they are both big rivals.

Snippit 12-06-2012 05:44 PM

These past few years, it's been Russia. Before that, it was U.S.A.

U.S.A has been a long time rival, so I'm going to go with them. If Russia keeps icing their competitive teams, it'll be them.

Xokkeu 12-06-2012 05:54 PM

In the World Juniors Canadian fans certainly seem to hate the US team more. Olympics as well.

The Canada-Russia rivalry lost a bit due to the Russians drop in performance until the past few years and the fact that the two no longer consider the other as the enemy of humanity.

y2kcanucks 12-06-2012 06:00 PM

Russia.

Hammer Time 12-06-2012 07:12 PM

Russia since they seem to knock out Canada all the time:
2006 Olympics
2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 World Championships
2011, 2012 World Junior Championships

Other than John Carlson's OT goal in 2010, it's hard to recall a recent US victory to eliminate Canada.

EDIT: Meant elimination games, the USA has beaten Canada in prelim round a few times recently.

Leo Trollmarov 12-06-2012 07:59 PM

I couldn't choose. If we lost to either I would be in a far worse mood than if Sweden beat us.

Alberta tough 12-06-2012 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meteor (Post 56314159)
Russia since they seem to knock out Canada all the time:
2006 Olympics
2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 World Championships
2011, 2012 World Junior Championships

Other than John Carlson's OT goal in 2010, it's hard to recall a recent US victory over Canada.


The Olympics. Edit perhaps you meant in knockout scenario.

Zippy316 12-06-2012 08:15 PM

Interesting topic.

I think with the proximity, most will be bigger rivals to the US, but at the same time, Canada hates losing in hockey, so someone challenging their supremacy, which is what Russia is and has been doing, makes them a big rival as well.

Eventually, with the US being more populated, therefore greater chance of good players, they will begin to put together teams that will challenge Canada in the very near future, even though they have done so already.

ottawa 12-06-2012 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meteor (Post 56314159)
Russia since they seem to knock out Canada all the time:
2006 Olympics
2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 World Championships
2011, 2012 World Junior Championships

Other than John Carlson's OT goal in 2010, it's hard to recall a recent US victory over Canada.

Pretty much this. There was a time when the USA-Canada rivalry was bigger but the Americans are lagging behind and have not really a competition (compared to Russia) over the last few years.

boredmale 12-06-2012 08:23 PM

I would say in the past few years it turned from the US back to Russia, since they have beat us in more big games. But if the US wins a couple big games that would change.

Rabid Ranger 12-06-2012 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boredmale (Post 56319153)
I would say in the past few years it turned from the US back to Russia, since they have beat us in more big games. But if the US wins a couple big games that would change.

Is 2010 that long ago?

AmericanDream 12-06-2012 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ottawa (Post 56318791)
Pretty much this. There was a time when the USA-Canada rivalry was bigger but the Americans are lagging behind and have not really a competition (compared to Russia) over the last few years.

now we are lagging behind all those gold medals from Russia recently??? WTF??? must have missed that....

Claimed Off Waivers 12-06-2012 08:48 PM

Historically Russia, but lately USA since they beat us in 2 gold medal games in the last 10 years and we've had some other great games with them too recently.
I'd love to see a Canada v USA super series similar to the one we had with Russia a few years ago.

craigcaulks* 12-06-2012 09:03 PM

The fall of communism ruined the whole Soviet/Canada thing for me. Beating the US is always at the top of my list internationally, womens and mens.

Backlund 12-06-2012 09:06 PM

Russia, but it looks like the USA might be taking over that spot soon.

Kane One 12-06-2012 09:32 PM

Russia. The whole "rivalry" with the US seems to be just a geographical rivalry rather than an actual international rivalry.

Jason MacIsaac 12-06-2012 10:01 PM

Russia for sure.

sharks9 12-06-2012 10:11 PM

I think for older people it will be Russia due to things like the '72 Summit Series

But for younger people like me who grew up watching the '02 and '10 finals against the USA, it's gotta be them for sure.

Jerkini 12-06-2012 10:59 PM

I think Russians are a lot more humble when they win. Losing to the Americans is like nails on a chalkboard. I just hate it so much.

nitz 12-06-2012 11:04 PM

The only correct answer is Russia.

Losing to Russia evokes a feeling of anguish and dispair that the Americans just can't conjure.

poetryinmotion 12-06-2012 11:36 PM

Because we're all technically 'American' (yes even Canadians) but they aren't.

dwanmaster* 12-06-2012 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meteor (Post 56314159)
Russia since they seem to knock out Canada all the time:
2006 Olympics
2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 World Championships
2011, 2012 World Junior Championships

Other than John Carlson's OT goal in 2010, it's hard to recall a recent US victory over Canada.

2012 World championships?

Canadian Gold X3 12-07-2012 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharks9 (Post 56324399)
I think for older people it will be Russia due to things like the '72 Summit Series

But for younger people like me who grew up watching the '02 and '10 finals against the USA, it's gotta be them for sure.

My dad (52) agrees that Russia is a bigger rival. I (18) however, think America is a greater rival to Canada's supermacy

Nash 12-07-2012 12:29 AM

It really depends on what you base the rivalry on.

I know European posters won't like this, as this may be an ethnocentric North American viewpoint, but I really don't count the World Hockey Championships as rivalry building. Due to the timing of going head to head with the NHL playoffs, it is a secondary tournament that is barely watched or covered in NA. So many of the best players aren't there that it isn't a true best on best. It is nowhere near the importance of the Olympics.

My favorite international hockey is the WJC, so if I was basing it on that, there would be zero question that Russia and Canada are the big rivals. You only have to look at the medal table.

However, given that the squads are generally only 19 & 18 year olds, it is natural that the two deepest nations are rivals. And basing the rivalry on only two years of any age group isn't giving you a fair assessment of what a full national men's team can do.

So to me, it is all about best on best when all players are available to play. That means Olympics and World Cup/Canada Cup tournaments. With those Olympics, anything pre-NHL involvement doesn't count for me either. Again...not best on best. Russia and Canada are still the two teams that are generally chosen as favorites in those tournaments, so the rivalry is still number one. I can see how some might say USA now. 96 World Cup and 02 & 10 Olympics head to head in the finals will do that.


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