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Nordic* 12-08-2012 08:22 AM

Paajarvi - where do you see him in 5 years?
What it says in the title. Where do you see him in 5 years? Edmonton? What role?

Also, if you could rate him the same way players are rated in NHL, which current rating would you give him and what potential would he have?

I've only seen like 10-12 games with him since he went to North America, but from what I've seen he works hard but seems to lack the confidence to actuallt use the tools he does have. A bit timid and afraid to make mistakes?

I'd say his current rating is around 72 and potential 3,5 stars.

Would you somewhat agree with this?

oilersfan11 12-08-2012 08:50 AM

He's a bust,and he will be gone in 5 years.:laugh: JK

Really though I think he will be the 3rd line left winger in 5 years.

Aerchon 12-08-2012 09:54 AM

Right now he does not have enough offense to be a third line player or enough grit to be a 4th line player. One of three things needs to happen for MP to be a regular in the NHL.

1. Work on his shooting/driving to the net, really concentrate on his offensive side of the game. Defensively he is already a nhl calibre player. Love his positioning.

2. Become a tough SOB to play agianst. Hit more, fight, and get dirty. I have seen a bit of that in him this year. Not much. But more than previous years. Smid used to be a typical euro D man and avoid contact as well. Now look at him. He is a machine.

3. Switch to centre. With his size, skating, and positioning so strong if he could take draws and play his two way game he would always find a team where he could 3rd or 4th line center. Especialy on this team where our center is so weak.

If he did two or three of the above things he would cement his status as a top 9 forward.

Ultimatly I think he is too good to not improve in one of those areas enough to be a regular NHLer, should just be a matter of time.

Philly85 12-08-2012 10:15 AM

Not on the Oilers, that much I'd be certain of.

ExOilerFan 12-08-2012 10:29 AM

2 goals in 20 games in the AHL playing on a stacked top six? That's not even good for a potential 4th liner in the nhl. In 5 years he will be back in Europe. Book it

Ozolinsh_27 12-08-2012 10:54 AM

Chimera-ing it in the Allsvenskan :laugh: jk

oilers2k10 12-08-2012 11:11 AM

75 point player.

worraps 12-08-2012 11:13 AM

Solid 3rd line winger. PK specialist.

Patch101 12-08-2012 11:50 AM

Bust, untill he is willing to go into traffic and act his size he won't amount to much. I don't think he's developed since drafting him either.

okgooil 12-08-2012 11:55 AM

I have not heard this name mentioned when talking about Paarjarvi, but he reminds me of Pisani. HE will be a 30 point 3rd line winger who is really good defensivly.

rockinghockey 12-08-2012 11:57 AM

I was watching when he got drafted and really wanted EDM to pick Kulikov, too bad for that.

I see him as a 3rd line player good of the PK. I see Lander more of a 4th line player.

I am the Liquor 12-08-2012 11:58 AM

Teaching Phys ed in Norrkoping.

worraps 12-08-2012 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by okgooil (Post 56367895)
I have not heard this name mentioned when talking about Paarjarvi, but he reminds me of Pisani. HE will be a 30 point 3rd line winger who is really good defensivly.

If he could be as good as Pisani in the playoffs I will be a very happy man.

I am the Liquor 12-08-2012 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by worraps (Post 56368029)
If he could be as good as Pisani in the playoffs I will be a very happy man.

Klima was a sniper.

franfrey* 12-08-2012 12:05 PM

Third line two-way winger.

worraps 12-08-2012 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by I am the Liquor (Post 56368097)
Klima was a sniper.

I recalled that about 30 seconds after posting and changed it. In case anyone is wondering why the quote in IATL's post doesn't tie into his reply.

Replacement 12-08-2012 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by Patch101 (Post 56367791)
Bust, untill he is willing to go into traffic and act his size he won't amount to much. I don't think he's developed since drafting him either.

This aspect gets so little focus. Indeed the trending has been obvious. From an early first round pick to the where will they be thread a few short years later. A guy thats having considerable trouble establishing even at a farm team level of hockey.

Hockey somewhere in Europe is my answer.

Gotta grin a bit at the pk specialist and stuff that crops up to support this player. Fact of the matter is theres not even one sign of this player showing any development into what could even be considered a useful niche. Role player? Who we kidding?

Replacement 12-08-2012 12:20 PM

Specific to the thread I'm not really sold on assigning player numerical ratings, grades etc. Doesn't really say a lot or add much and it becomes its own error, distortion related gradient. I'm surprised scouts buy into this type of thing as much as they do. Its only evidence of lazy thinking and notation.

The numbers and grades don't make selection and differentiation any less subjective. Although they do offer the stuff of strong and persisting further bias without any "show the work" notation of how the rating ever got there.

This being an important consideration in how the player got to the draft position they ever did in the first place and we all know it was on the basis of limited sample. Which on its own offers obvious skews and bias.

MPS was the perfect timing one hit wonder. Player that very briefly rose into a supposed bluechip stock on the happenchance and puck bounces of one tournament and a bunch of hoping eyes seeing whatever potential established Swedish comparable they wanted to see.

This is the pick you don't buy high whether it be stocks or players. The meteoric short rise can just as easily be followed by the drop.

Eskimo44 12-08-2012 12:25 PM

I don't think most people on here have been watching the Barons. I certainly think his shot and his propensity to shoot it from the outside is troubling, but he has been much more physical this season. Ever since the Scandanavian line has been put together they have really been agitating the opposition with their physicality and hard forechecking, and Paajarvi's been a big pat of that. He'll never be like Hartikainen (i.e. a hitting machine), but he sure can push the play up the ice and give his teammates room with his speed. He needs to be a little more aggressive in looking for offense, as he still exits the zone to early. But when it comes down to it his quality passing game, defensive acume, improving physicality, and the ability to push the puck up the ice should see him become a quality 3rd line in the least. Top 6 is still possible but his creativity and shot are not there yet. In 5 years i think he should bring 10-15 goals (he does generate a lot of shots, and he should improve his sh% at least a bit) and 20-30 assists in an average year while playing key 2 way minutes. OKC has also been using him on the PK, and with his speed and reach that also may become a major calling card for him. Quality prospect with a ton of tools, even if the offensive results can be a little on the dissapointing side (BTW he isn't getting a ton of PP time in OKC and this does hurt his numbers).

topchowda 12-08-2012 12:47 PM

On the Oilers: 3rd liner 30 points
On the 29 other teamsL 80 point sniper

puckfan13 12-08-2012 01:22 PM

Same player as Lauri Korpikoski I hope.

Petro Points 12-08-2012 01:29 PM

Wing version of Cogliano .. Plenty of speed but not much else.. Complimentary player who can be a good cheap 2nd liner with good line mates.

Oilerz 12-08-2012 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by I am the Liquor (Post 56367991)
Teaching Phys ed in Norrkoping.

I spit my coffee laughing.

Burnt Biscuits 12-08-2012 01:46 PM

5 years time is a lot, I see Paajarvi being able to atleast cut out a niche on the 4th line. Paajarvi is probably going to stay in the AHL for a bit longer and if he doesn't develop there I think the org will lower their expectations and see they have a player who fell below expectations but still has useful elements in his skill set. He would play about 70 games a year if healthy and for about 12 games a year would be subbed out for someone who adds more physicality, for the most part would line up with a veteran UFA center and Knuckle-dragging oaf. I'm guessing after about 2 years on the 4th line he will bail for Europe to take a job on the top line for some team there.

I also wouldn't put it past us trading him I could see Ottawa, Dallas, or Detroit (when they enter rebuild mode) being interested in him. I could see either Ottawa or Detroit molding him into a dominant 3rd line winger if they get their hands on him soon enough.

nabob 12-08-2012 02:15 PM

80 point player on a line with the Sedins.

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