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darkhorse686 12-08-2012 10:24 AM

Goaltenders with helmets but no facial protection
 
Take a look at the Swedish goalkeeper (you see more of him later in the video).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_pfFMhPW7s

Now that has to be akin to going out in public with a shirt but no pants.

Has there been anything more unusual in the history of the game?


PS. moderators feel free to move if this not appropriate for his section

Big Phil 12-08-2012 10:43 AM

It is a little strange. I am assuming you are talking about the fact that he's wearing a helmet, not a mask, as a protective equipment. In the NHL I believe Andy Brown was the last goalie in 1973-'74 to play without a mask so I guess at this time in 1970 it wasn't all that crazy but it still looks weird. How in the world is a helmet going to save you if a slap shot hits your face? You may as well not have the helmet. Funny stuff though.

SealsFan 12-08-2012 11:04 AM

Other notable items in that clip:

Half the Swedish players with white helmets, half with blue.

Players tie up the puck in the corner with no contact, no one leaving his feet and launching himself into the other player and mashing his face into the glass...

Eisen 12-08-2012 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SealsFan (Post 56365771)
Other notable items in that clip:

Half the Swedish players with white helmets, half with blue.

Players tie up the puck in the corner with no contact, no one leaving his feet and launching himself into the other player and mashing his face into the glass...

That is nice for a change, isn't it.

Killion 12-08-2012 04:50 PM

Man does that ever look.... bizarre? :laugh:

darkhorse686 12-08-2012 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Phil (Post 56365373)
It is a little strange. I am assuming you are talking about the fact that he's wearing a helmet, not a mask, as a protective equipment. In the NHL I believe Andy Brown was the last goalie in 1973-'74 to play without a mask so I guess at this time in 1970 it wasn't all that crazy but it still looks weird. How in the world is a helmet going to save you if a slap shot hits your face? You may as well not have the helmet. Funny stuff though.

Yes, you'll notice Tretiak had the brains to hang a wire cage from his helmet, what was the Swedish goalie thinking?

I'm guessing he wanted to protect the back of his head in case he fell over from being hit in the eye with a slapshot :D

Killion 12-08-2012 08:26 PM

... ya, its weird. Like seeing some guy wearing glasses without lenses. The frames from the
Sophia Loren Debutante Collection. Dude just blithely carrying on as if everythings Hunky Dory.

Shootmaster_44 12-08-2012 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killion (Post 56378759)
... ya, its weird. Like seeing some guy wearing glasses without lenses. The frames from the
Sophia Loren Debutante Collection. Dude just blithely carrying on as if everythings Hunky Dory.

Haha. I love the Seinfeld reference or is it a Frasier reference?

As "manly" as it may have been to wear no mask, I've never figured why goalies continued to go bare faced in the post-Jacques Plante era.

Hobnobs 12-08-2012 08:52 PM

Because I believe, they were required to wear a helmet but honken didnt want to my guess he blamed it on impaired vision so he simply sidestepped it with wearing a helmet but not the cage.

I might add that it seemed to be pretty standard for goalies to have something on their heads in sweden. Before that all of them wore knitted hats. :D

I found footage of honken prior to the rule and he wears nothing so my guess is that he jsut put it on to get to play.

Quote:

Honken known to refuse to wear a helmet and face mask the longest. He thought they obscured his vision too much and that he would rather take a few extra stitches (something he had full of anyway).
Edit 302: He was also famous for to make saves with his head without the helmet. He directed pucks away from the net with his bare head...

Edit 303:
Quote:

He had begun to think about getting a mask to his blue helmet, but he had once said that''a mask was cowardly, "something that he came to regret the following year. He got during training for the World Cup 1971 a puck in the jaw bone so the jaw were dislocated and missed what came to be called scandal-World Cup 1971 in Bern (Helge Berglund's "paid servants"). but the season for AIK was as usual brilliant - except the blue helmet. it did not fit into AIK's shirts but Honken was so unique that we (now moved into the seat) accepted the helmet as it was.

Canadiens1958 12-08-2012 09:31 PM

Not So Bizarre
 
Actually it is not bizarre in a modern context.

Arenas have rules where nobody can go on the ice without a helmet, safety and insurance issues.

A team going out for a basic skate thru without shooting or contact will have their goalies wear helmets without a mask.

Kane One 12-08-2012 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shootmaster_44 (Post 56378865)
Haha. I love the Seinfeld reference or is it a Frasier reference?

As "manly" as it may have been to wear no mask, I've never figured why goalies continued to go bare faced in the post-Jacques Plante era.

It's probably hard to start wearing a mask after you never even thought to wear one for about 30 years.

bluesfan94 12-08-2012 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadiens1958 (Post 56380797)
Actually it is not bizarre in a modern context.

Arenas have rules where nobody can go on the ice without a helmet, safety and insurance issues.

A team going out for a basic skate thru without shooting or contact will have their goalies wear helmets without a mask.

Yeah, but that wasn't a skate thru

Darth Yoda 12-09-2012 06:04 AM

Would be real cool to see one with a classic JOFA and face mask at the same time. Nobody ever did that?

Hobnobs 12-09-2012 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Yoda (Post 56388369)
Would be real cool to see one with a classic JOFA and face mask at the same time. Nobody ever did that?

Several classic jofa helmets out there. Do you mean this one?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eP4q151MN3...0/don+auto.jpg

or

http://nhlstars.kulichki.net/history...0/myshkin2.jpg

a fan remade Tretiaks mask here it is.

http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/y...bSizeJofa2.jpg

DJ Man 12-09-2012 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hobnobs (Post 56379509)
...

Edit 302: He was also famous for to make saves with his head without the helmet. He directed pucks away from the net with his bare head...

Edit 303:

That would explain a lot about his subsequent eccentric wardrobe!

Hobnobs 12-09-2012 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ Man (Post 56399465)
That would explain a lot about his subsequent eccentric wardrobe!

There were more goalies who did this in Sweden, Lfqvist also wore the jofa helmet with no cage.

Killion 12-09-2012 07:03 PM

http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/y...bSizeJofa2.jpg

I remember looking at his mask & several others that followed, and as is quite apparent, a puck travelling at 85-100mph+ would very easily go straight through the openings in the cage. I mean seriously; just look at that thing? You could easily put your hand through it, stick both your fingers up the guys nose & drag him around like a still live King Pacific Salmon in an icehouse as the gaps are that wide. So if a puck hits one of those metal bars, the law of physics being what they are with the puck still moving forward at velocity, if it doesnt take the mask & helmet clean off the guys head, its gonna snake in & through one of those open spaces while spinning like a buzz saw thats broken loose from its moorings and cut you up but good. Huh?... like Dr. No smearing your face in anchovie' paste, Oddjob shoving your head into an aquarium full of Amazonian Piranha's...

Hobnobs 12-09-2012 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killion (Post 56404863)
http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/y...bSizeJofa2.jpg

I remember looking at his mask & several others that followed, and as is quite apparent, a puck travelling at 85-100mph+ would very easily go straight through the openings in the cage. I mean seriously; just look at that thing? You could easily put your hand through it, stick both your fingers up the guys nose & drag him around like a still live King Pacific Salmon in an icehouse as the gaps are that wide. So if a puck hits one of those metal bars, the law of physics being what they are with the puck still moving forward at velocity, if it doesnt take the mask & helmet clean off the guys head, its gonna snake in & through one of those open spaces while spinning like a buzz saw thats broken loose from its moorings and cut you up but good. Huh?... like Dr. No smearing your face in anchovie' paste, Oddjob shoving your head into an aquarium full of Amazonian Piranha's...

You need to stop with the LSD abuse man :D

Killion 12-09-2012 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hobnobs (Post 56405365)
You need to stop with the LSD abuse man :D

Oh goodness Hobnobs. Believe me. I did. 35+yrs ago. Just how much damage was done though, well, thats another matter altogether. ;)

Ogie Goldthorpe 12-09-2012 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Shootmaster_44 (Post 56378865)
Haha. I love the Seinfeld reference or is it a Frasier reference?

As "manly" as it may have been to wear no mask, I've never figured why goalies continued to go bare faced in the post-Jacques Plante era.

Tell that to the players these days who won't wear visors.

Darth Yoda 12-10-2012 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hobnobs (Post 56388655)
Several classic jofa helmets out there. Do you mean this one?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eP4q151MN3...0/don+auto.jpg

or

http://nhlstars.kulichki.net/history...0/myshkin2.jpg

a fan remade Tretiaks mask here it is.

http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/y...bSizeJofa2.jpg

I guess i should'nt have said JOFA. I meant if someone ever wore a helmet on top of say a Sawchuk-mask, any "Jason"-model. That would rock! :yo:

Psycho Papa Joe 12-10-2012 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Yoda (Post 56412843)
I guess i should'nt have said JOFA. I meant if someone ever wore a helmet on top of say a Sawchuk-mask, any "Jason"-model. That would rock! :yo:

Psycho Papa Joe - Sixteen Mile Creek, oakville Ontario, circa January 1979.

mbhhofr 12-10-2012 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shootmaster_44 (Post 56378865)
Haha. I love the Seinfeld reference or is it a Frasier reference?

As "manly" as it may have been to wear no mask, I've never figured why goalies continued to go bare faced in the post-Jacques Plante era.

Back in 1962 I was having a conversation with Gump Worsley, and Vern Buffey and Worsley's reason for not wearing a face mask was that "You can't tell me that when you wear one and look down for the puck at your feet, there isn't a blind spot."

He was one of the last goalies to put on a mask.

Sanf 12-10-2012 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Yoda (Post 56412843)
I guess i should'nt have said JOFA. I meant if someone ever wore a helmet on top of say a Sawchuk-mask, any "Jason"-model. That would rock! :yo:

Polish legend Walery Kosyl did wear mask helmet combos. Im not sure about the image linking rules but there are few pretty weird looking combos if you image google him.

McGuillicuddy 12-10-2012 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hobnobs (Post 56388655)
Several classic jofa helmets out there. Do you mean this one?

http://nhlstars.kulichki.net/history...0/myshkin2.jpg

That's not a Jofa. That's a Cooper SK600:

http://www.goaliestore.com/board/att...r-sk600-ad.jpg


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