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chrisralph007 12-08-2012 03:16 PM

NHL 2013 Draft War Room Top 90 December Rankings
 
E-Mac's unique spin on NHL draft analysis is back for the 2013 entry draft, with a 9 part series hosted at The Hockey Writers:

Part 1: The Top 10

Part 2: 11-20

Stay tuned as the rest of the rankings are rolled out.
Note: These are separate from THW's exclusive The Next Ones rankings; simply providing additional and unique insight on this intriguing draft class.

chrisralph007 12-09-2012 02:17 PM

Part 3 is now live at THW.

That completes Round 1 of E-Mac's rankings.

Link: http://thehockeywriters.com/2013-nhl...-part-3-21-30/

Daneurism 12-09-2012 02:37 PM

Good rankings, Chris!

chrisralph007 12-09-2012 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daneurism (Post 56396079)
Good rankings, Chris!

Thanks Danueurism; in this case, credit has to go to my colleague, Eldon (aka E-Mac) as this is his rankings. For this series, I'm just the editor.

ikelechien 12-09-2012 06:55 PM

Here is the top 30. If U want more info, just click on the links that Chris has provided. The links also have the other major rankings listed.

1. MacKinnon, Nathan – C - Halifax, QMJHL
2. Jones, Seth – D - Portland, WHL
3. Monahan, Sean – C – Ottawa, OHL
4. Drouin, Jonathan - LW/C – Halifax, QMJHL
5. Barkov, Alexander – C - Tappara, SM-liiga (Finnish Elite League)
6. Lindholm, Elias – C - Brynδs, Elitserien (Swedish Elite League)
7. Shinkaruk, Hunter – LW - Medicine Hat, WHL
8. Ristolainen, Rasmus – D – TPS, SM-liiga
9. Pulock, Ryan – D – Brandon, WHL
10. Nurse, Darnell – D – Sault Ste. Marie, OHL
11. Burakovsky, Andrι – LW – Malmφ, Allsvenskan (2nd Swedish professional league)
12. Zadarov, Nikita – D – London, WHL
13. Mantha, Anthony – RW – Val d’Or, QMJHL
14. Morrissey, Josh – D – Prince Albert, WHL
15. Erne, Adam - RW - Quιbec, QMJHL
16. Hδgg, Robert – D - MODO J20 – SWE-J20
17. Gauthier, Frιdιrik – C - Rimouski, QMJHL
18. Duclair, Anthony – LW - Quιbec, QMJHL
19. Domi, Max – C – London, OHL
20. Lazar, Curtis – C/RW – Edmonton, WHL
21. Dickinson, Jason – W/C – Guelph, OHL
22. Lehkonen, Artturi – LW – Kal-Pa, SM-liiga
23. Rychel, Kerby – LW – Windsor, OHL
24. Compher, JT – C – USA U18, USHL
25. Zykov, Valentin – RW – Baie-Comeau, QMJHL
26. Thompson, Keaton – D - USA U18, USHL
27. Fasching, Hudson – RW - USA U18, USHL
28. Carrier, William – LW – Cape Breton, QMJHL
29. Bowey, Madison – D – Kelowna, WHL
30. Santini, Steve – D - USA U18, USHL

Flynn84 12-09-2012 07:11 PM

No Nichushkin even in the top30? It's a big mistake, i think.
He's much better prospect than Zykov for example.
P.S. Zadorov, not Zadarov

ikelechien 12-09-2012 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Flynn84 (Post 56405167)
No Nichushkin even in the top30? It's a big mistake, i think.
He's much better prospect than Zykov for example.
P.S. Zadorov, not Zadarov

U are probably correct; however, Zykov hasn't signed a 3 year in Russia and is playing in North America. I have Nichushkin in 31 to 40 because I don't believe most teams will touch him in round 1; I could be wrong; we'll just have to see how it plays out.

Circulartheory 12-09-2012 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ikelechien (Post 56405725)
U are probably correct; however, Zykov hasn't signed a 3 year in Russia and is playing in North America. I have Nichushkin in 31 to 40 because I don't believe most teams will touch him in round 1; I could be wrong; we'll just have to see how it plays out.

I believe they will. He is just too skilled and too big to be passed up. For me, the main question is, will he be picked in the top 15? I can see him dropping but not out the top 30. Just my two cents, based on viewing from the SS and last years WJC U18.

maplehawk 12-09-2012 07:54 PM

If this is a mock draft, leaving Nichushkin out might have some validity.

If we are simply ranking the best draft eligible players for 2013, Nichushkin shouldn't be any lower than 15 and realistically should be top 10.

ikelechien 12-09-2012 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by maplehawk (Post 56406435)
If this is a mock draft, leaving Nichushkin out might have some validity.

If we are simply ranking the best draft eligible players for 2013, Nichushkin shouldn't be any lower than 15 and realistically should be top 10.

I never rank goalies above where I believe they will be drafted - hence all 2nd round due to the glut of goalies at the moment; similarly I rarely rank Russian stay-at-homes as 1st round. Most rankings for Nichushkin are in the 10 to 20 range for now.

JumpierPegasus 12-09-2012 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikelechien (Post 56407627)
I never rank goalies above where I believe they will be drafted - hence all 2nd round due to the glut of goalies at the moment; similarly I rarely rank Russian stay-at-homes as 1st round. Most rankings for Nichushkin are in the 10 to 20 range for now.

Nichushkin has talked about the fact that he was going to sign in Canada. I would take that as the fact that he wants to be in North America, but felt the KHL was better for his development.

I also believe during the SSS he mentioned how he loves North American ice. "Here everything is faster. Pro players play smart, they don't run around too much. Besides, the rinks are smaller and that also speeds the game up. I like small rinks, though. I always play well on them." I think is what he said

ikelechien 12-10-2012 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JumpierPegasus (Post 56410791)
Nichushkin has talked about the fact that he was going to sign in Canada. I would take that as the fact that he wants to be in North America, but felt the KHL was better for his development.

I also believe during the SSS he mentioned how he loves North American ice. "Here everything is faster. Pro players play smart, they don't run around too much. Besides, the rinks are smaller and that also speeds the game up. I like small rinks, though. I always play well on them." I think is what he said

Yes, I read that article too. Read another which said he also only thinking about playing in Russia for now. We likely will have to wait for the Combine to get a somewhat definitive answer unless something comes out of the U20's. Anton Slepyshev who I had as second rounder last year didn't show up for the Combine and consequently didn't get drafted.

31 to 40 is now up at thehockeywriters.com

HanSolo 12-10-2012 02:14 PM

Barkov should be higher than 5. Yes Drouin and Monahan are scoring at excellent rates but they're doing so in junior hockey. Barkov is lighting it up in a pro league at age 17, he's tall as hell, he's big, and he's a great forechecker.

I really think he can challenge for first overall.

Paulinho 12-10-2012 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuckJet (Post 56423739)
Barkov should be higher than 5. Yes Drouin and Monahan are scoring at excellent rates but they're doing so in junior hockey. Barkov is lighting it up in a pro league at age 17, he's tall as hell, he's big, and he's a great forechecker.

I really think he can challenge for first overall.

He should be third.

HanSolo 12-10-2012 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaolin 36 (Post 56424967)
He should be third.

At this point yes, but if he maintains his current level of play in the FEL and if he comes up big at WJC for Finland he should absolutely start getting more 1st overall discussion.

I mean...Forsberg got third overall consideration (some were even saying Columbus should take him second overall instead of Murray) with pretty modest numbers in a B-tier pro league, Barkov is putting up enormous numbers in one of the top leagues in europe as a 17 year old.

MrFunnyWobbl 12-10-2012 03:12 PM

Barkov is too low.

Daneurism 12-10-2012 03:13 PM

2012 isn't 2013, though.

Pretty steep drop off in forwards after Nail and Galchenyuk.

TheHudlinator 12-10-2012 03:26 PM

Barkov should be at least #2 and I think I would have Jones 4th after Monahan but it is debatable.

ikelechien 12-10-2012 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 56427471)
Barkov should be at least #2 and I think I would have Jones 4th after Monahan but it is debatable.

The comments on Barkov are quite valid. Craig Button just came back from Finland recently and was just gushing about Barkov - not just about his play but also his attitude of the ice.

As for myself, I will re-evaluate after the U20's. I am also huge fans of Drouin and Monahan so it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

AmericanDream 12-10-2012 08:58 PM

not trying to derail a thread, but when I saw Mackinnon listed as a generational talent...I kind of had to disagree. Very very talented player, but are we sure he is on the level of a generational player?

especially considering a number of services have Jones ranked ahead of him...

ikelechien 12-10-2012 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmericanDream (Post 56436693)
not trying to derail a thread, but when I saw Mackinnon listed as a generational talent...I kind of had to disagree. Very very talented player, but are we sure he is on the level of a generational player?

especially considering a number of services have Jones ranked ahead of him...

He has the drive behind the talent to be one; he also is able to elevate his game for the key moments in a game or tournament and he seems to learn from any performances which do not meet his level of expectation. That said, whether he is or not, we shall just have to wait and see; I am betting yes.

Update: Latest MacKinnon article from The National Post

HanSolo 12-11-2012 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikelechien (Post 56437875)
He has the drive behind the talent to be one; he also is able to elevate his game for the key moments in a game or tournament and he seems to learn from any performances which do not meet his level of expectation. That said, whether he is or not, we shall just have to wait and see; I am betting yes.

Update: Latest MacKinnon article from The National Post

Well I was planning to post pretty much exactly what you just said.

The Nuge 12-11-2012 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 56427471)
Barkov should be at least #2 and I think I would have Jones 4th after Monahan but it is debatable.

No... I'd argue Jones is more likely to go 1st than 4th

I am the Liquor 12-11-2012 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuckJet (Post 56423739)
Barkov should be higher than 5. Yes Drouin and Monahan are scoring at excellent rates but they're doing so in junior hockey. Barkov is lighting it up in a pro league at age 17, he's tall as hell, he's big, and he's a great forechecker.

I really think he can challenge for first overall.

All this despite not watching any of them.

My goodness.:facepalm:

TheHudlinator 12-11-2012 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Nuge (Post 56443873)
No... I'd argue Jones is more likely to go 1st than 4th

If we are talking about where they are taken then yes I could see that but as prospects I would have him around 4th.


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