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Slatsmsg 12-09-2012 02:36 AM

Mtl/Edm
 
To the Canadiens: Yakupov
To the Oilers: PK Subban

Why Montreal does this, Yakupov is an exciting and legit offensive talent and can be reunited with former Sarnia teammate/linemate Galchenyuk

Why Edmonton does this, Subban is a up and coming top 2 defenceman, filling a need on the Edmonton blueline. With Whitney's injury history Edmonton needs a PP QB.

Subban didn't resign with Mtl andI think he wants out. Edmonton resigned Hemsky and has paid him as a top 6 RW (Yakupovs natural position) while Eberle is a lock first line RW.

Does other side need to add?

Flame away.

Habitant le colon 12-09-2012 02:53 AM

mmmm nha !!

The Nuge 12-09-2012 03:05 AM

NO!!!! I don't even like Yak as much as most Oiler fans, but this is no less ridiculous than the other 1000 times it was proposed. Montreal would need to add a significant asset. And no, the Oilers don't need a PP QB. Between Schultz, Petry, and Whitney, we'll be just fine

Habitant le colon 12-09-2012 03:07 AM

habs need to add when the Yak guy has not yet skate in the big league .... sure ... this is to end damn well ! :laugh:

thadd 12-09-2012 03:24 AM

Yak and Whitney for Suban and Galchenyuk. I'd consider it.

The Nuge 12-09-2012 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habitant le colon (Post 56387741)
habs need to add when the Yak guy has not yet skate in the big league .... sure ... this is to end damn well ! :laugh:

Then I'm sure you'll be glad to trade us Galchenyuk for Plante eh? Give your head a shake

MasterDecoy 12-09-2012 03:50 AM

The **** is this thread Jesus Christ... :facepalm:

Habitant le colon 12-09-2012 03:52 AM

you ARE talking about a top 2 if not number 1 def vs a high listed first round pick ... who needs to add ... and why on Earth would you consider Plante in that?? shaking head ... :shakehead ... go get a map !! :laugh:

stryfe604 12-09-2012 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slatsmsg (Post 56387561)
To the Canadiens: Yakupov
To the Oilers: PK Subban

Why Montreal does this, Yakupov is an exciting and legit offensive talent and can be reunited with former Sarnia teammate/linemate Galchenyuk

Why Edmonton does this, Subban is a up and coming top 2 defenceman, filling a need on the Edmonton blueline. With Whitney's injury history Edmonton needs a PP QB.

Subban didn't resign with Mtl andI think he wants out. Edmonton resigned Hemsky and has paid him as a top 6 RW (Yakupovs natural position) while Eberle is a lock first line RW.

Does other side need to add?

Flame away.

Impartial fan here, saying Edmonton has to add. Based on you know...this thing called logic...P.K. has established himself in the league. He is at worst a #3 defenseman on any team in the league. To say Montreal would have to add to a player who has yet to play a single game in the NHL is idiotic. Arguments can be made that any prospect can become the second coming of Jesus on skates, but the fact remains that the prospect isn't a guarantee.

Only on HF will a prospect who hasn't played a single game in the NHL be worth more than a player who has established himself as at worst a top 3 D in the league.

palindrom 12-09-2012 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stryfe604 (Post 56388125)
Impartial fan here, saying Edmonton has to add. Based on you know...this thing called logic...P.K. has established himself in the league. He is at worst a #3 defenseman on any team in the league. To say Montreal would have to add to a player who has yet to play a single game in the NHL is idiotic. Arguments can be made that any prospect can become the second coming of Jesus on skates, but the fact remains that the prospect isn't a guarantee.

Only on HF will a prospect who hasn't played a single game in the NHL be worth more than a player who has established himself as at worst a top 3 D in the league.

By the same Logic would you rather have a "proven" 10$ or a ticket with one chance out of two to win 50$ (25$ expectation) ?

If the expectation and the odds a player will become an NHL player are good enough, prospect have greater value than current player.

And isn't only on HF that a proven rivet is traded for Gorges and a pick. That a proven Gomez is traded for a McDonagh, That a proven Nieuwendyk is traded for Iginla.

How do you explain the Lindros trade ? Only on HF?

vespa99 12-09-2012 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stryfe604 (Post 56388125)
Impartial fan here, saying Edmonton has to add. Based on you know...this thing called logic...P.K. has established himself in the league. He is at worst a #3 defenseman on any team in the league. To say Montreal would have to add to a player who has yet to play a single game in the NHL is idiotic. Arguments can be made that any prospect can become the second coming of Jesus on skates, but the fact remains that the prospect isn't a guarantee.

Only on HF will a prospect who hasn't played a single game in the NHL be worth more than a player who has established himself as at worst a top 3 D in the league.



So by your "logic" you are saying that the holder of next years, or the year after, or the year afters 1st overall pick would trade that pick for a number 3 defenceman? Interesting logic you have going there.

Zippy316 12-09-2012 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by palindrom (Post 56388427)
By the same Logic would you rather have a "proven" 10$ or a ticket with one chance out of two to win 50$ (25$ expectation) ?

If the expectation and the odds a player will become an NHL player are good enough, prospect have greater value than current player.

And isn't only on HF that a proven rivet is traded for Gorges and a pick. That a proven Gomez is traded for a McDonagh, That a proven Nieuwendyk is traded for Iginla.

How do you explain the Lindros trade ? Only on HF?

Terrible examples.

Gomez was traded with Tom Pyatt and Michael Busto for McDonaugh, Higgins, Valentenko, and Janik.

Nieuwendyk was in the midst of a contract dispute and he was traded for Iginla AND Corey Millen.

Lindros and Yakupov aren't on the same world right now. Lindros was hyped up to be the second coming of Gretzky, the only other first round pick in recent years that would reasonably fetch something like that would be Crosby.

When trading prospect for established talent, the team with the prospect always will add. Even if it's something as little as a third line forward or a sixth defenseman, they will add.

palindrom 12-09-2012 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zippy316 (Post 56388659)
Terrible examples.

Gomez was traded with Tom Pyatt and Michael Busto for McDonaugh, Higgins, Valentenko, and Janik.

Nieuwendyk was in the midst of a contract dispute and he was traded for Iginla AND Corey Millen.

Lindros and Yakupov aren't on the same world right now. Lindros was hyped up to be the second coming of Gretzky, the only other first round pick in recent years that would reasonably fetch something like that would be Crosby.

When trading prospect for established talent, the team with the prospect always will add. Even if it's something as little as a third line forward or a sixth defenseman, they will add.

Always?

What did they add to Lindros?

There are plenty of examples where they didnt add to a prospect/pick to get a proven player.

On June 24, 2011 John-Michael Liles was traded by the Avalanche to the Toronto Maple Leafs for a 2nd round pick in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft
on September 12, 2008, Robert Lang was traded to the Montreal Canadiens for a second-round draft pick in 2010.

Crosby was once just an unproven prospect too, would you had traded a proven 3 pairing defenseman for him in summer 2005?

palindrom 12-09-2012 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vespa99 (Post 56388513)
So by your "logic" you are saying that the holder of next years, or the year after, or the year afters 1st overall pick would trade that pick for a number 3 defenceman? Interesting logic you have going there.

Sublime example of politeness :thumbu:

WeridAl 12-09-2012 07:12 AM

I don't even like Yakupov, but no way would I want PK Subban in the Oilers locker room. Habs and Oilers don't mix well and have never made good trading partners, Oilers pass.

MasterDecoy 12-09-2012 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeridAl (Post 56388791)
I don't even like Yakupov, but no way would I want PK Subban in the Oilers locker room. Habs and Oilers don't mix well and have never made good trading partners, Oilers pass.

Oh this old nugget again...

sharks9 12-09-2012 07:51 AM

Huge no from the Habs.

#1 defencemen are harder to find than first-line wingers and our defense would be terrible if this went through.

palindrom 12-09-2012 07:59 AM

I love Subban, he is my favorite player.


But this is the kind of overpayment that would force me to accept to trade him.

poetryinmotion 12-09-2012 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by palindrom (Post 56389085)
I love Subban, he is my favorite player.


But this is the kind of overpayment that would force me to accept to trade him.

You do not represent our fanbase at all, anyone can see right through you.

Overpayment.. yeah.. :shakehead At best its fair value.

Subban and Price are your favourite players, amirite?

palindrom 12-09-2012 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poetryinmotion (Post 56389133)
You do not represent our fanbase at all, anyone can see right through you.

Overpayment.. yeah.. :shakehead At best its fair value.

Subban and Price are your favourite players, amirite?

This is absolutely, sincerely and with all my honestly correct.

Its just that i dont mix my heart and my head when it come to proposal.....and by this i completely agree that i dont represent our fanbase at all.

I go with what a believe is the best for the team. (often on the long term)

Just a question? how many of you took into consideration the possibility in the new CBA that the entry level contract will be 5 years when considering this proposal? I dont mean its the end of all, but its the kind of details that matter.

i expect the next CBA to increase the value of prospect like Yakupov. ( it could also increase Subban value, by moving the UFA eligibility to 28yo, so we could be able to negotiate a better contract.)

FanHabtic 12-09-2012 08:21 AM

The only thing the habs would add to make this trade palatable is scott gomez.

Sterling31 12-09-2012 09:01 AM

No one adds. IMO.

Habs fans can complain that they would lose a already established player for a prospect.

However; with the Galchenyuk factor, it makes it a no brainer.

You would be trading for Boardwalk, when you already have a parkplace.

theboss* 12-09-2012 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thadd (Post 56387835)
Yak and Whitney for Suban and Galchenyuk. I'd consider it.

Habs get bent over

palindrom 12-09-2012 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannyboy8920 (Post 56389821)
No one adds. IMO.

The habs fans can complain that they would lose a already established player for a prospect.

However with the Galchenyuk factor, it makes it a no brainer.

You would be trading for Boardwalk, when you already have a parkplace.

And you know the funny thing ? Summer 2016 i could see the possibility Subban come back in Montreal organization as UFA.

Subban love Montreal, and It would not be the first time that a player a team traded would come back as UFA.

Analyzer 12-09-2012 09:08 AM

I think this type of proposal should be banned... I mean, neither side does it and the rational neutral fans that come in, neither side takes their opinion into question when it's the one people should be looking for.


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