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Claude The Fraud 12-09-2012 08:21 PM

Best Ever WJC Line
 
What's is best line ever sent to the WJC? And wich one had the best tournament? Wich had the best carrer at the WJC?

Naslund - Forsberg - Sundstrom?
Bure - Fedorov - Mogilny?
Jagr - Reichel - Holik?

Other famous line combination?

F l a m e s 12-09-2012 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Claude The Fraud (Post 56408437)
What's is best line ever sent to the WJC? And wich one had the best tournament and the best carrer at the WJC

Naslund - Forsberg - Sundstrom?
Bure - Fedorov - Mogilny?
Jagr - Reichel - Holik?

Other famous line combination?

It would be hard to be the Bure- Fedorov - Moginly line.. WOW!

JurassicTunga 12-09-2012 08:23 PM

Was Bergeron-Crosby-Perry one in 2005?

5RingsAndABeer 12-09-2012 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wally31 (Post 56408497)
It would be hard to be the Bure- Fedorov - Moginly line.. WOW!

Agreed

Such a great line. Complementary skills too

Claude The Fraud 12-09-2012 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JurassicTunga (Post 56408499)
Was Bergeron-Crosby-Perry one in 2005?

Yeah, it was a great line.

But in my own opinion, i'd still takes one of Jagr-Reichel-Holik, Bure-Federov-Mogilny and Naslund-Forsberg-Sundstrom before them.

reffree 12-09-2012 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Claude The Fraud (Post 56408981)
Yeah, it was a great line.

But in my own opinion, i'd still takes one of Jagr-Reichel-Holik, Bure-Federov-Mogilny and Naslund-Forsberg-Sundstrom before them.

Doesn't remember enough for the first two, but didn't the Naslund-Forsberg-Sundstrom line score something like 10-15 goals in a single game against JAPAN?!? That does greatly inflate stats. If I remember correctly, against Canada Forsberg was real good, but has a line they were not great.

Big Phil 12-09-2012 11:43 PM

I personally think it should be a team that won. Bure-Fedorov-Mogilny is a great example of this. As is Crosby-Bergeron-Perry. They won, they dominated and no one really stopped them. Canada stopped Sweden in 1993 with Forsberg. I guess you have to ask if that is good enough to ignore the 31 points Forsberg had.

isles31 12-09-2012 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wally31 (Post 56408497)
It would be hard to be the Bure- Fedorov - Moginly line.. WOW!

This line is just ridiculous. I think mogilny gets forgotten when thinking about the Russian studs from the 90s except for the 76 goals in 77 game season. That line would sure be fun to watch a full season of.

Nash 12-10-2012 01:52 AM

It's no coincidence that all the major records in the tournament are pre 1996, when it was a simple round robin and the best players ran up scores on the bottom half of the group. The way the tournament is run now, none of those records will ever be broken. So while the top 3 or so have been listed, I'll list what I feel is one of the best lines of the modern era of the tournament. I know they weren't full time, but every powerplay and every time that Canada needed a goal in 2009, they put out Tavares Hodgson Eberle. One of the most clutch lines I have ever seen play in the tournament.

Since 1996, the top scorers are generally between 10 to 13 points. That year the top 3 scorers were Hodgson Tavares Eberle with 16 15 13. That was in only 6 games because of the bye.

The most points in the modern tournament though is by Braden Schenn with 18 in 6 games. Scary thing is he played with a separated shoulder the last two games and only got 1 goal.

We might see the scoring leader average go back up a bit again though since next year the bye is gone and true QF matches return.

Royal Canuck 12-10-2012 02:58 AM

Fedorov - Mogilny - Bure for sure.

wouldn't put down Bergeron - Crosby - Perry too far behind those guys though.

Huffman 12-10-2012 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Phil (Post 56413601)
I personally think it should be a team that won. Bure-Fedorov-Mogilny is a great example of this. As is Crosby-Bergeron-Perry. They won, they dominated and no one really stopped them. Canada stopped Sweden in 1993 with Forsberg. I guess you have to ask if that is good enough to ignore the 31 points Forsberg had.

Forsberg had 4 or 5 points that game, not sure about his linemates.

NEWFowler 12-10-2012 03:51 AM

Wasn't Getzlaf and Carters line ridiculously dominant too?

vippe 12-10-2012 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by reffree (Post 56409863)
Doesn't remember enough for the first two, but didn't the Naslund-Forsberg-Sundstrom line score something like 10-15 goals in a single game against JAPAN?!? That does greatly inflate stats. If I remember correctly, against Canada Forsberg was real good, but has a line they were not great.

Well, that is the case in every single WJC tournament.. the ones that score lots of points do have games against smaller nations where they pile points.

If I remember correctly Forsberg had 10 points against Japan not sure about the rest and he had 4 points against Canada.

Esa Keskinen-Mikko Makela-Esa Tikkanen should be mentioned aswell I think,

Statsy 12-10-2012 04:09 AM

We're talking about lines not teams, and Canada may have beaten Sweden in '93 but they had no answer for the Forsberg/Naslund/Sundstrom line. Nobody did. They get my pick as top WJC line of all-time.

Statsy 12-10-2012 04:20 AM

By the way, I'm not sure how the playoff round has changed things over the old round robin format in regards to the scoring records. You play a roughly equivalent group of teams caliber wise, though possibly in one less game thanks to the first place bye. I think other factors probably have more of an effect including the fact that hockey just isn't as high scoring as it used to be.

Mirinho 12-10-2012 10:30 AM

Most Points by a forward line:

69 Markus Naslund, Peter Forsberg, Niklas Sundstrom, SWE
(30 G + 39 A), 1993 in Sweden

52 Esa Keskinen, Mikko Makela, Esa Tikkanen, FIN
(24 G + 28 A), 1985 in Finland

50 Robert Reichel, Jaromir Jagr, Bobby Holik, CZE
(22 G + 28 A), 1990 in Finland

47 Esa Keskinen, Raimo Helminen, Esa Tikkanen, FIN
(23 G + 24 A), 1984 in Sweden

46 Raimo Summanen, Petri Skriko, Risto Jalo, FIN
(22 G + 24 A), 1982 in USA

41 Mike Modano, Jeremy Roenick, John Leclair, USA
(20 G + 21 A), 1989 in Anchorage

stats to year 2005

AmericanDream 12-10-2012 10:54 AM

I do believe the US had the Modano -Roenick - Leclair line which would be in the top 2 for me...that line was amazing//

AmericanDream 12-10-2012 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mirinho (Post 56419607)
Most Points by a forward line:

69 Markus Naslund, Peter Forsberg, Niklas Sundstrom, SWE
(30 G + 39 A), 1993 in Sweden

52 Esa Keskinen, Mikko Makela, Esa Tikkanen, FIN
(24 G + 28 A), 1985 in Finland

50 Robert Reichel, Jaromir Jagr, Bobby Holik, CZE
(22 G + 28 A), 1990 in Finland

47 Esa Keskinen, Raimo Helminen, Esa Tikkanen, FIN
(23 G + 24 A), 1984 in Sweden

46 Raimo Summanen, Petri Skriko, Risto Jalo, FIN
(22 G + 24 A), 1982 in USA

41 Mike Modano, Jeremy Roenick, John Leclair, USA
(20 G + 21 A), 1989 in Anchorage

stats to year 2005

ahah...there it is...not sure how many games they did this in, but I think its one of the best as all 3 turned out to be star players..whereas only the Mogily - Federov- Bure line can really say the same thing....

CalgaryCanuck03 12-10-2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mirinho (Post 56419607)
Most Points by a forward line:

69 Markus Naslund, Peter Forsberg, Niklas Sundstrom, SWE
(30 G + 39 A), 1993 in Sweden

52 Esa Keskinen, Mikko Makela, Esa Tikkanen, FIN
(24 G + 28 A), 1985 in Finland

50 Robert Reichel, Jaromir Jagr, Bobby Holik, CZE
(22 G + 28 A), 1990 in Finland

47 Esa Keskinen, Raimo Helminen, Esa Tikkanen, FIN
(23 G + 24 A), 1984 in Sweden

46 Raimo Summanen, Petri Skriko, Risto Jalo, FIN
(22 G + 24 A), 1982 in USA

41 Mike Modano, Jeremy Roenick, John Leclair, USA
(20 G + 21 A), 1989 in Anchorage

stats to year 2005

Whats interesting is none of those lines won gold, and two of them didn't even medal.

SidGenoMario 12-10-2012 11:38 AM

Crosby and Perry, 2 MVPs on the same line. Pretty sure that doesn't happen very often.

craigcaulks* 12-10-2012 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by isles31 (Post 56413977)
This line is just ridiculous. I think mogilny gets forgotten when thinking about the Russian studs from the 90s except for the 76 goals in 77 game season. That line would sure be fun to watch a full season of.

Watching 2/3 of that line wasn't much fun.

craigcaulks* 12-10-2012 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mirinho (Post 56419607)
Most Points by a forward line:

69 Markus Naslund, Peter Forsberg, Niklas Sundstrom, SWE
(30 G + 39 A), 1993 in Sweden

Thanks Japan!

DuckJet 12-10-2012 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Newfie9 (Post 56416235)
Wasn't Getzlaf and Carters line ridiculously dominant too?

That whole team was pretty dominant.

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Originally Posted by SidGenoMario (Post 56421121)
Crosby and Perry, 2 MVPs on the same line. Pretty sure that doesn't happen very often.

In b4 Thomas/Sedin/St. Louis deserved the Hart, Perry winning was a joke :sarcasm:

bigdogsnipedaddy 12-10-2012 01:09 PM

Mogilny...brings back some great memories with the Leafs. Too bad he wasnt with them for longer.

joe89 12-10-2012 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by vippe (Post 56416259)
Well, that is the case in every single WJC tournament.. the ones that score lots of points do have games against smaller nations where they pile points.

If I remember correctly Forsberg had 10 points against Japan not sure about the rest and he had 4 points against Canada.

Esa Keskinen-Mikko Makela-Esa Tikkanen should be mentioned aswell I think,

It was also in an era where hookings and holdings were a part of the game. I know the highlights against Czechs and Canada are somewhere on youtube. Forsberg had a stick around his waist or a hand on his jersey all game long. It was ridiculous.

Also agree a bit with the guy who said it wasn't necessarily the line, it was Forsberg. Forsberg had almost half of the points. Although it's possible the other great lines had a similar breakdown.


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