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oilersfan11 12-13-2012 03:25 AM

Oilers Avs
 
To Oilers
Steve Downie



To Avs
Ales Hemsky
2nd round pick

OF17 12-13-2012 03:27 AM

I don't think the Oilers would trade Hemsky for a RW.

drugold 12-13-2012 03:56 AM

I don't think the Avs would do this from a neutral fan base. Edmonton needs to develop some downies

PAZ 12-13-2012 04:19 AM

Nope, given our injury past want nothing to do with Hemsky. Plus we're looking for a scoring winger, not a playmaker.

eklunds source 12-13-2012 04:35 AM

I'm pretty sure Hemsky is worth more than that.

thadd 12-13-2012 05:34 AM

Edmonton is overpaying, but for once I actually like a proposal that Oilersfan is making. I'd love Downie on my team. He's got some offense upside and he's solid sandpaper. I've always been a big fan of him for a long time.

Wonder if we'd do Yakupov-Gagner-Downie after a trade like this for a 2nd line. That would be exciting to watch.

Lonewolfe2015 12-13-2012 06:31 AM

Eh... this is a tough one tbh. You'd have to overpay to get a guy like Downie IN-division. I simply would hate to play against him.

But I'm in the minority that thinks Hemsky still has some value in him, at least to the Avs whom look like they'd have the perfect center for him in Duchene. Hemsky's speed and hands I think compliment Duchy's style just right.

In the end I'd say no, given the injury risk and not wanting to play against Downie. But if we weren't in the same division I'd be mighty tempted.

ManByng 12-13-2012 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonewolfe2015 (Post 56505015)
Eh... this is a tough one tbh. You'd have to overpay to get a guy like Downie IN-division. I simply would hate to play against him.

But I'm in the minority that thinks Hemsky still has some value in him, at least to the Avs whom look like they'd have the perfect center for him in Duchene. Hemsky's speed and hands I think compliment Duchy's style just right.

In the end I'd say no, given the injury risk and not wanting to play against Downie. But if we weren't in the same division I'd be mighty tempted.

^that's because posters give up way too easily on players once they see a flaw or two....suddenly they have either a diminished value or no value at all. such is life on the HF Boards. :(

Bender 12-13-2012 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManByng (Post 56506221)
^that's because posters give up way too easily on players once they see a flaw or two....suddenly they have either a diminished value or no value at all. such is life on the HF Boards. :(

Has nothing to do with flaws, Ales Hemsky is a tremendous hockey player but you have to admit, he's been injured a lot the past 3 years or so.

I have to believe that's the only reason he's being offered to the Avs in a deal like this at all.

As others have mentioned, we traded for a guy like Downie because as a team we also needed what he brings to the table.

So kudos to the OP, I think the value is more than fair but the Avs would decline because as already mentioned, we'd have to play against Downie in the division*, Hemsky is double the money with more of an injury risk and we'd just be searching for another Downie type player again afterwards.

(*although re-alignment might eventually change this, who knows when they end up doing that...)

Pierce Hawthorne 12-13-2012 09:26 AM

Easy no from this Avs fan.

No way we trade downie after just 20 games last year, and 20 games in which he was playing over a ppg pace before separating his shoulder and playing injured down the stretch. At this point its possible Downie could be a 50-60 point guy next year, and with all the other stuff he brings, wouldnt trade him for Hemskey.

Also, I would say theres basically 0% chance the Avs trade Downie within the division, having to play him 6 times a year would just be terrible.

Ceremony 12-13-2012 10:42 AM

No chance. Why would we trade someone like Downie in the division for someone who's slaughtered regularly by his own fanbase? (or is that Horcoff I'm thinking about)

ManByng 12-13-2012 10:43 AM

@PinkEye....^deal...either Elliot or Shattenkirk will do! :laugh:

ManByng 12-13-2012 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceremony (Post 56508565)
No chance. Why would we trade someone like Downie in the division for someone who's slaughtered regularly by his own fanbase? (or is that Horcoff I'm thinking about)

first off, Downie isn't that valuable to the Oilers because we already have Ben Eager.

secondly, both Hemsky and Horcoff are constantly ragged on by Oiler fans for different reasons....Hemsky because he's oft injured and Horcoff because he has never lived up to his rich contract, scoring wise.

jumptheshark 12-13-2012 10:50 AM

no from the oilers

not a fan of Downie, does too many stupid things for my liking

Lacaar 12-13-2012 10:53 AM

Hemsky is in the unique position that he's too risky to trade for from another teams stance and he's too much of a pandora's box for Edmonton to let go of without a solid return.

Aceonfire* 12-13-2012 11:24 AM

We drafted Moroz and Khaira this year to fill that need. It will take some time for them to develop, but at the same time we would not have to trade away assets. I say wait and see if Hemsky gets better.

Although I am a Downie fan, guy is a beast.

Ivan13 12-13-2012 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManByng (Post 56508659)
first off, Downie isn't that valuable to the Oilers because we already have Ben Eager.

secondly, both Hemsky and Horcoff are constantly ragged on by Oiler fans for different reasons....Hemsky because he's oft injured and Horcoff because he has never lived up to his rich contract, scoring wise.

Downie is so much better than Eager that it's beyond ridiculous to even put the two of them in the same sentence. Eager is Edmonton's (slightly better) version of Cody McLeod.

cgf 12-13-2012 12:47 PM

Downie's the winger I'd least want to trade away after Landeskog. I think at some point he'll make a great winger for Matt Duchene and in the mean time forms one hell of line with Lando and O'Reilly.

The Red Line 12-13-2012 12:50 PM

Meh. Both teams keep what they have.

ManByng 12-13-2012 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivan13 (Post 56509977)
Downie is so much better than Eager that it's beyond ridiculous to even put the two of them in the same sentence. Eager is Edmonton's (slightly better) version of Cody McLeod.

Downie is a better scorer, but we would be getting him more for his toughness....in that regard, he and Eager are both tough grinders who will drop the gloves. therefore for the Oilers needs, we already have what we need in Eager and simply don't need Downie.

HockeyFan100 12-13-2012 12:59 PM

Hard to decide, but I'll pass. Downie is good for the team.

PAZ 12-13-2012 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManByng (Post 56511625)
Downie is a better scorer, but we would be getting him more for his toughness....in that regard, he and Eager are both tough grinders who will drop the gloves. therefore for the Oilers needs, we already have what we need in Eager and simply don't need Downie.

Downie actually has hockey skills. While I don't disagree that Eagar can fill the toughness role, I wouldn't call Downie a grinder.

ManByng 12-13-2012 01:31 PM

^while not a true enforcer, Downie has had seasons of 208 and 171 PM...and he has a fair number of videos on HockeyFights.com :laugh:

The Nuge 12-13-2012 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lacaar (Post 56508853)
Hemsky is in the unique position that he's too risky to trade for from another teams stance and he's too much of a pandora's box for Edmonton to let go of without a solid return.

Agreed. Plus, if we're trading him, I want him going out east. I want to play against him as little as possible

Ceremony 12-13-2012 02:53 PM

Downie's career high is 46 points. Eager's is 16. They're not really comparable as players.


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