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Oan 12-14-2012 07:03 AM

Top countries in Olympic tournaments (since 1998)
 
I thought I'd take a look that which countries have been the most consistent in Olympics since the NHL-players have participated and it has been best-on-best. In my mind, achieving the semifinals is something that could be considered as a "top" result, hence I'm listing the top 4 of each Olympics below:

1998:

1. Czech
2. Russia
3. Finland
4. Canada

2002:

1. Canada
2. USA
3. Russia
4. Belarus

2006:

1. Sweden
2. Finland
3. Czech
4. Russia

2010:

1. Canada
2. USA
3. Finland
4. Slovakia


Then, let's see which countries have the most top 4 positions:

3: Canada, Finland and Russia
2: USA and Czech Republic
1: Sweden, Slovakia and Belarus

Make what you want out of it, but I think it's actually quite strange that for instance Sweden has only once managed to make it top 4(granted, it was gold), and Finland, a country that really is never considered to be any favourite, is up there with Canada and Russia.

You can bash me all you like, "gold is only what matters" etc. etc. but to me it's quite clear which countries have been most consistent in these best-on-best tournaments.

TollefsenFan 12-14-2012 07:11 AM

Some guys just focus to much on the rosters and not on coaching, luck, rink size, etc. U need a little bit of luck in short tournaments.

thomast 12-14-2012 07:28 AM

Finland with most medals :naughty:

Henkka 12-14-2012 07:32 AM

Finland usually gets most out of their roster with a superb system play. And great goaltenders usually are the biggest help.

At 1998 Olympics we didn't have a great goalie, and that was Hasek's tournament.

Sweden has had this goalie problem for years, now they have Lundqvist there (and was behind Torino win).

Mr Kanadensisk 12-14-2012 07:34 AM

top 2 finishes
CAN 2 (2 X champions)
USA 2
CZE 1 (1 X champs)
SWE 1 (1 X champs)
FIN 1
RUS 1

I Hate Chris Butler 12-14-2012 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TollefsenFan (Post 56532521)
Some guys just focus to much on the rosters and not on coaching, luck, rink size, etc. U need a little bit of luck in short tournaments.

Like USA in 2010. Not a lot of people were expecting them to place for a medal.

thomast 12-14-2012 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henkka (Post 56532691)
Finland usually gets most out of their roster with a superb system play. And great goaltenders usually are the biggest help.

At 1998 Olympics we didn't have a great goalie, and that was Hasek's tournament.

Sweden has had this goalie problem for years, now they have Lundqvist there (and was behind Torino win).

1998 was all Selšnne and Koivu for team finland and of course Pavel Bure domination.

It would be nice to discuss about which olympic tournament have been best... Best players, toughest competition.

BobDobolina 12-14-2012 09:36 AM

4th place for Belarus is kind of like gold for them. Incredible achievement for them that year.

Small Brain Presence 12-14-2012 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Hate Jay Feaster (Post 56532727)
Like USA in 2010. Not a lot of people were expecting them to place for a medal.

Yeah, the U.S. never trailed in the tournament until the gold medal game. That is some kind of "luck."

NyQuil 12-14-2012 10:56 AM

This basically shows which countries have managed to execute under intense pressure when the stakes are highest.

Metalcommand 12-14-2012 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NyQuil (Post 56535957)
This basically shows which countries have managed to execute under intense pressure when the stakes are highest.

Finland and this sentence don't belong together :laugh: So... much.... silver....

Frank the Tank 12-14-2012 11:06 AM

I rank them the Olympic way (Gold-Silver-Bronze):

1998-2010 Olympic Results
RankCountryGoldSilverBronze
1Canada200
2Czech Republic101
3Sweden100
4USA020
5Finland012
6Russia011

Keke 12-14-2012 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Small Brain Presence (Post 56535881)
Yeah, the U.S. never trailed in the tournament until the gold medal game. That is some kind of "luck."

Just like Finland in 2006. The best hockey Finland has ever played..

NyQuil 12-14-2012 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metalcommand (Post 56535993)
Finland and this sentence don't belong together :laugh: So... much.... silver....

Quarterfinal superstars ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiGician
Just like Finland in 2006. The best hockey Finland has ever played..

I was never more impressed with Teemu Selanne as in the 2002 quarterfinal vs. Canada.

That hit on Pronger was indicative of the relentless, almost brazen kamikaze style that he played the entire game with.

I think I was more nervous in that game than against the Americans in the final.

The Finns were pretty good as well at the 2004 World Cup.

That whole 2002-2006 period was characterized by very gutsy performances from the Finns.

saskriders 12-19-2012 04:30 AM

Slovakia got screwed by the IOC and IIHF in 98 and 02, but in 06 they went undefeated in the first round, then lost the QF to the Czechs 3-1 (I believe the last was EN, but can't prove it). So a dominate preliminary, with a close QF (loss by 1+EN), followed by a close SF (loss by 1) and Bronze medal game (loss by 1+EN) in their only 2 (recent) fair shots isn't bad

FiLe 12-19-2012 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saskriders (Post 56666203)
lovakia got screwed by the IOC and IIHF in 98 and 02, but in 06 they went undefeated in the first round

Sweden gifted them a game though.

saskriders 12-19-2012 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiLe (Post 56666703)
Sweden gifted them a game though.

Or maybe they won because they were the better team that night

It wasn't like Belarus beating Sweden

FiLe 12-19-2012 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saskriders (Post 56674389)
Or maybe they won because they were the better team that night

Huaaahaaahhhaaaahahahah.... stop, please!


hahahahahahahahah


Aw, man.


*gasp, pant*



Really... that was a good one.














Wait... you did not seriously mean that, did you?

Shrimper 12-19-2012 02:13 PM

Belarus is a surprising result, how did they get 4th?

YARR123 12-19-2012 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shrimper (Post 56675323)
Belarus is a surprising result, how did they get 4th?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFQnIFN1pYo

sorry sweden, had to :laugh:

Bure 12-19-2012 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YARR123 (Post 56675545)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFQnIFN1pYo

sorry sweden, had to :laugh:

LOL , wow that was funny

Xokkeu 12-19-2012 04:49 PM

Average placed finishes of the countries who have played in every olympics

3.25 Canada
3.5 Finland
3.75 Russians
4 Sweden
4.5 Czechs
4.5 US
8 Slovakia
9.5 Germany


6.67 Belarus*
8.33 Switzerland*


* Indicates a team has missed an Olympic tournament and their average is simply based on the 3 tournaments they appeared in.


I believe this is a better way to measure the Olympics performance, taking in final positioning and not just medals. Using this measurement the US falls below all but Slovakia of the major powers, because despite their two 2nd place finishes, their dismal showings of 6th and 8th are taken into account. At the top of the table Finland is given better recognition for their consistent success (only one stain in a 6th place finish) despite never actually winning. The small sample size means that the 2010 standings alone moved Canada from 4th place to 1st and Russia from 1st to 3rd.

Shrimper 12-19-2012 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YARR123 (Post 56675545)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFQnIFN1pYo

sorry sweden, had to :laugh:

Haha, that's terrible.

What's the record for teams between the Olympics though?

tsujimoto74 12-19-2012 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Hate Jay Feaster (Post 56532727)
Like USA in 2010. Not a lot of people were expecting them to place for a medal.

That wasn't luck so much as it was Miller. He played amazingly that year, particularly in the Olympics. And goaltending looks like it will continue to be a strong point for the USA going forward (Quick, Gibson).

MastuhNinks 12-19-2012 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xokkeu (Post 56679191)
Average placed finishes of the countries who have played in every olympics

3.25 Canada
3.5 Finland
3.75 Russians
4 Sweden
4.5 Czechs
4.5 US
8 Slovakia
9.5 Germany


6.67 Belarus*
8.33 Switzerland*


* Indicates a team has missed an Olympic tournament and their average is simply based on the 3 tournaments they appeared in.


I believe this is a better way to measure the Olympics performance, taking in final positioning and not just medals. Using this measurement the US falls below all but Slovakia of the major powers, because despite their two 2nd place finishes, their dismal showings of 6th and 8th are taken into account. At the top of the table Finland is given better recognition for their consistent success (only one stain in a 6th place finish) despite never actually winning. The small sample size means that the 2010 standings alone moved Canada from 4th place to 1st and Russia from 1st to 3rd.

I disagree, I'd take 2 silvers and 2 8th place finishes over 4 4th place finishes any day.


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