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Heaton 12-15-2012 05:43 PM

Lockout talk thread
 
Late in the game, but I don't want to see multiple threads get derailed.

The Zetterberg Era 12-15-2012 06:01 PM

I don't get the feeling they have been very confident in Detroit that a season would be played this year. I think that is the Devellano comments in frustration. Some of the actions the way they outlined options to season ticket holders seemed to indicate this as well. Guys like Zetterberg who I absolutely believe has contact with the team shipped overseas sooner than expected. I know they are not completely connected but you also have Ilitch spending even more money on the Tigers. I know he wants to win a World Series and spends on them anyway but I think some of this is money he just isn't spending on the Wings now and more freed up as this went along.

Also I know the timing on the stadium had to be pushed through before the end of the year, but I find it interesting he hammered through before talks got really ugly again. I don't think Ilitch is a big Bettman fan and we know he doesn't like Jacobs. But some of what is happening looks like the organization is resigned to the fact this is not going to go well. Now some of you want Ilitch to speak up or the organization to speak up. But what we know is Dolan has been punished for doing that, the Leafs were punished after the last lockout and Jacobs won their power struggle back when Ilitch was interested in being the top dog. The rest is history, why burn bridges before your son or daughter takes over the team. I don't know what he can really honestly do while in failing health to correct this situation.

RedWingsNow* 12-15-2012 06:15 PM

Red Wings can start charging Columbus Blue Jacket or Phoenix Coyote like prices if they want a Columbus Blue Jacket or Phoenix Coyote like like payroll.


I wonder how a guy like Zetterberg, who signed the hometown discount at a lower cap hit to stay in Detroit, feels about this BS. Or Johan Franzen.

RedWingsNow* 12-15-2012 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heaton (Post 56572607)
And the PA says everyone is united, too. There's no evidence that Ilitch is for the lockout other than PR ********.

The vote was 30-0.
It's also true that Ilitch was considered a Hawk in the first Bettman lockout.

Townsend Beasley 12-15-2012 07:26 PM

The winter classic and possible conference realignment on the horizon made it really hard for the red wings brass to make any waves in the board room this time around.

Even if they wanted to, they had way too much to lose by pissing off the hardliners and the comish.

Vatican Roulette 12-15-2012 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Townsend Beasley (Post 56575171)
The winter classic and possible conference realignment on the horizon made it really hard for the red wings brass to make any waves in the board room this time around.

Even if they wanted to, they had way too much to lose by pissing off the hardliners and the comish.

Meh. As one of the biggest spenders in the league, im sure the wings brass(Illitch) doesnt want to send teams like Columbus and Nashville a part of his earnings because they cant earn money. Yet, teams that "struggle", can afford to sign Shea Weber's contract.

Ricelund 12-15-2012 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 56573355)
Red Wings can start charging Columbus Blue Jacket or Phoenix Coyote like prices if they want a Columbus Blue Jacket or Phoenix Coyote like like payroll.


I wonder how a guy like Zetterberg, who signed the hometown discount at a lower cap hit to stay in Detroit, feels about this BS. Or Johan Franzen.

What? They made massive offers to Parise and Suter. Ilitch isn't penny-pinching, they just didn't get the guys they wanted.

The Zetterberg Era 12-15-2012 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricelund (Post 56575471)
What? They made massive offers to Parise and Suter. Ilitch isn't penny-pinching, they just didn't get the guys they wanted.

And some people told us were coming ;)

http://images.wikia.com/theoffice/im...wight_liar.jpg

guinness 12-15-2012 07:52 PM

I'm beyond the point of even caring. Just cancel the season, and make the NHL even more irrelevant.

Part of it is that I'm out in the California boonies for this lockout, but now that I'm older, I don't see the point in picking sides of millionaires vs billionaires. The only people suffering are the workers at the rink, the bars/restaurants around the arenas; the players and owners can go fish.

Townsend Beasley 12-15-2012 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vatican Roulette (Post 56575373)
Meh. As one of the biggest spenders in the league, im sure the wings brass(Illitch) doesnt want to send teams like Columbus and Nashville a part of his earnings because they cant earn money. Yet, teams that "struggle", can afford to sign Shea Weber's contract.

Its not about illitch's money in this case, its about not pissing off the people who are going to vote on conference realignment.

Its about maximizing the winter classic in every way for a state that could use the economic boom.

RedWingsNow* 12-15-2012 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricelund (Post 56575471)
What? They made massive offers to Parise and Suter. Ilitch isn't penny-pinching, they just didn't get the guys they wanted.

Who said he's penny pinching
I'm saying, if he wants to cancel another season for salary parity, he needs to start thinking about ticket price parity.

zombi 12-15-2012 10:10 PM

This is getting really bad for me.

From September through Novemeber, I had my wedding and the Tigers to keep my mind off hockey. Honestly, it didn't really bother me all that much.

But now, it's getting really bad. I hate the Pistons and the Lions are no fun to watch.

I really miss hockey man.....help....please...

Capsized 12-15-2012 11:00 PM

I hope they miss next year too. Let it burn for all I care. The Wings suck now any way and they will never be great again due to parity. Go Tigers! At least in baseball an owner can decide to make a run at a championship and actually be able to do something about it.

WingedWheel1987 12-15-2012 11:05 PM

The 50ish game season should help the wings. I thought they were a fringe playoff team with a full regular season, but 50 games will benefit an older team.

Lockout years are very random.

RedWingsNow* 12-15-2012 11:15 PM

Nice one.
http://i.imgur.com/ZV4r3.jpg

Huddy* 12-17-2012 01:22 PM

As Bettman continues to go one step further to assure there is no hockey this year, one can assume there will be no hockey.

As a Detroit native, I would assume GR Griffins would come down to the Joe and play a few games?

Hockey starved thats all

The Zetterberg Era 12-17-2012 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killer Whale (Post 56621999)
As Bettman continues to go one step further to assure there is no hockey this year, one can assume there will be no hockey.

As a Detroit native, I would assume GR Griffins would come down to the Joe and play a few games?

Hockey starved thats all

They would have had to schedule that before the season, they have contracts that bind them as well. I am surprised that Detroit didn't wait and make the Winter Classic lead in game a Joe Louis game, that they could have pulled off but already put it back in Grand Rapids.

DarkReign 12-17-2012 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guinness (Post 56575851)
I'm beyond the point of even caring. Just cancel the season, and make the NHL even more irrelevant.

Part of it is that I'm out in the California boonies for this lockout, but now that I'm older, I don't see the point in picking sides of millionaires vs billionaires. The only people suffering are the workers at the rink, the bars/restaurants around the arenas; the players and owners can go fish.

Second-ed.

I am older, got way more **** to do that doesnt have anything to do with hockey. I dont even care who wins or loses.

The Zetterberg Era 12-19-2012 04:43 PM

Here is a wonderful picture from the biggest failure as far as going overseas this lockout.

http://metronewsca.files.wordpress.c...8&h=408&crop=1

These guys should just get off twitter.:shakehead

RedWingsNow* 12-19-2012 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedWings19405 (Post 56679075)
Here is a wonderful picture from the biggest failure as far as going overseas this lockout.

http://metronewsca.files.wordpress.c...8&h=408&crop=1

These guys should just get off twitter.:shakehead

Maybe you should get off twitter or stop worrying about what players post.

TS Quint 12-19-2012 09:42 PM

Owners still at 50/50, players still at 57/43. Been like that for months. Wake me when something changes. Just guessing, I can snooze on this until Mid January and Fehr will finnally agree to end this. Until then Fehr will hold out until the last second.

The Nose 12-19-2012 09:56 PM

Watching clips of Datsyuk dangles. I can't believe we may only see him for 1 more year, if that... :cry:

RedWingsNow* 12-19-2012 10:11 PM

Datsyuk's not worth it.
Cut his pay, damn it!

The Zetterberg Era 12-19-2012 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 56684571)
Maybe you should get off twitter or stop worrying about what players post.

To each his own CB, that was actually on several sites today, I don't follow him and I am not even on twitter, but it is a dumb picture. Sorry whenever your precious NHLPA makes a blunder it hurts you in such a fashion. Taking pictures like that in the middle of this is stupid. This along with Derek Roy's picture buying his new car just came off poorly. I know they have a lot of money, but then don't try and play the sympathy card either. We are not long off a couple of these guys talking about how they are in tough financial positions, it will weaken that case when they start doing it.

RedWingsNow* 12-19-2012 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedWings19405 (Post 56686081)
To each his own CB, that was actually on several sites today, I don't follow him and I am not even on twitter, but it is a dumb picture. Sorry whenever your precious NHLPA makes a blunder it hurts you in such a fashion. Taking pictures like that in the middle of this is stupid. This along with Derek Roy's picture buying his new car just came off poorly. I know they have a lot of money, but then don't try and play the sympathy card either. We are not long off a couple of these guys talking about how they are in tough financial positions, it will weaken that case when they start doing it.


Some 25 year old flaunting money at a casino or a 30 year old buying a car is "dumb" to you and other twitterversers

iMeanwhile, IN REAL LIFE and THINGS THAT MATTER, Ilitch is asking taxpayers for millions for his private project. Or Katz demanding for millions for his project.

I guess because the "media" covers it... that validates its importance to you?
As someone who has worked in media for 20 years, you have no idea how silly that idea is.


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