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LeHaboholique 12-16-2012 10:24 PM

Max Pacioretty
 
I am extremely interested to know what you feel this young fellow is worth in a trade.

Exit Dose 12-16-2012 10:25 PM

What are the Habs needs these days?

Lord Helix 12-16-2012 10:28 PM

What would the Habs like? Besides keeping him, which is obvious.

LeHaboholique 12-16-2012 10:29 PM

hmm we seem lack a lot of top 6 talent, apart from MacPac/Pleks

Montreal Shadow 12-16-2012 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeHaboholique (Post 56609667)
I am extremely interested to know what you feel this young fellow is worth in a trade.

He is worth more to Montreal than any team would be willing to give up.

ulysse84 12-16-2012 10:36 PM

PACIORETTY :sarcasm: ---> EKMAN-LARSSON ?


SEMI-INTOUCHABLE ---> SUBBAN - PRICE - GALCHENYUK - PACIORETTY
AND ALSO ---> DESHARNAIS - LEBLANC - GALLAGHER

KingCanadain1976 12-16-2012 10:43 PM

Just for fun how about any two of penner gagne williams any two of drewiski hickey muzzin richardson and j bernier. Then you can trade price to the leafs for a outragous price.

MuzzaFuzza 12-16-2012 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Montreal Shadow (Post 56609981)
He is worth more to Montreal than any team would be willing to give up.

Wow, ive never heard that one before :shakehead

Seriously? You can't just answer the question?

That is the most used quote on these boards and it is quickly getting annoying.

Machinehead 12-16-2012 11:02 PM

Would start with Kreider I assume.

What would I have to add?

TurdFerguson 12-16-2012 11:05 PM

I'd deal mostly from prospects starting with Teravainen.

Pax Macioretty 12-16-2012 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Machinehead (Post 56611255)
Would start with Kreider I assume.

What would I have to add?

Add a lot.. I know it's been used alot, but with Montreal's lack of big and talented wingers that can put it in the back of the net, he IS more valuable to us than what teams are willing to give. If anything the Habs need to get 1 more Pacioretty, not to lose the one we got. Unless Washington was willing to trade Ovechkin ot Pittsburgh would trade Malkin, there's no reason to package Pacioretty in any trade, especially for prospects since he is just 23 years old himself.

glenbuis 12-16-2012 11:21 PM

You can all save your breaths by trying packages of two of these and picks and stuff. He's a big strong fast speed demon that your not gonna obtain with a quantity of bit parts.

Noob616 12-16-2012 11:53 PM

He's not untouchable by any means but I can't realistically see a scenario in which he's traded. The only way I could see it happening would be a massive overpayment for him, he's a young, skilled, fast, bull power forward, and he's locked up long term on a very team friendly contract. I just don't see anyone being willing to part with the kind of value that would be needed to entice Montreal to trade him away.

Let's ignore that and try to make a reasonable proposal. He's good enough that you can't piece together a package for him (you're not going to get him for Williams, Gagne, and low level prospects). It'd require a pretty close swap for similar value. A Pacioretty for Kane (I meant Evander but Patrick would fit too although MTL would have to sweeten the pot) type deal would be the ball park we're talking here. That's really the only way I could see a trade being made, a one for one swap for another young scoring forward. I can't see Montreal trading him for a defenseman, that would really improve our depth on D, but at the cost of gutting our forward corps going forward. The problem with trading him for anything other than a forward of similar talent, is that you find yourself in a situation where you've got a great defense in a few years, but by that time Cole, Gionta, and Plekanec will all be past their primes or retired. You probably can't trade him for D, you probably can't trade him for 28+ year old guys, and you don't want to trade him for prospects. Montreal's core is starting to push towards their primes, Pacioretty is 24, Subban 23, and Price 25. We're banking on Galchenyuk being ready to be an impact player in the next 2-3 seasons, so that he's ready for prime time just as these guys are hitting 26-27 years old. For that reason, it's hard to justify shipping off Pacioretty for prospects. When you have a blue chip prospect, you get excited that he can turn out as good as Pacioretty. I don't think Montreal wants to roll the dice on a prospect who may or may not be as good as him down the road.

Going forward, Montreal is building around a top 6 including Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, and perhaps Eller. Take Pacioretty out of that and it's a pretty ugly scenario unless we get Drouin or Mackinnon in the next draft. All in all, Evander Kane for Pacioretty strikes me as one of the few reasonable and realistic trades that could be made. Edmonton could perhaps offer Yakupov, but I feel like Edmonton is hoping for Yakupov to be better than Pacioretty down the line. Bobby Ryan for Pacioretty+ is possible. It does seem a little overused, but the truth is that Pacioretty is far too valuable to Montreal, and the team has far too much invested in him for anything other than a drastic overpayment to get him. Ignoring team needs and going on a strictly value basis, Pacioretty for Couture, E. Kane, Lupul, Benn, Pavelski, maybe Lucic seems to be the ballpark. He's too good for the trade to be a piecework type thing, you can't always trade quantity for quality.

Aceonfire* 12-17-2012 12:02 AM

Swap Yakupov for Pacioretty lol

You get your Yak/Galy duo. And Edm gets an established 30 goal scorer with size.

Yes Yakupov is unproven at an NHL level, but his ceiling is way higher.

And Pac's salary is more in line with sustaining a great team, as opposed to what Yakupov will demand in a few years.

KingCanadain1976 12-17-2012 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noob616 (Post 56612409)
He's not untouchable by any means but I can't realistically see a scenario in which he's traded. The only way I could see it happening would be a massive overpayment for him, he's a young, skilled, fast, bull power forward, and he's locked up long term on a very team friendly contract. I just don't see anyone being willing to part with the kind of value that would be needed to entice Montreal to trade him away.


Let's ignore that and try to make a reasonable proposal. He's good enough that you can't piece together a package for him (you're not going to get him for Williams, Gagne, and low level prospects). It'd require a pretty close swap for similar value. A Pacioretty for Kane (I meant Evander but Patrick would fit too although MTL would have to sweeten the pot) type deal would be the ball park we're talking here. That's really the only way I could see a trade being made, a one for one swap for another young scoring forward. I can't see Montreal trading him for a defenseman, that would really improve our depth on D, but at the cost of gutting our forward corps going forward. The problem with trading him for anything other than a forward of similar talent, is that you find yourself in a situation where you've got a great defense in a few years, but by that time Cole, Gionta, and Plekanec will all be past their primes or retired.

Going forward, Montreal is building around a top 6 including Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, and perhaps Eller. Take Pacioretty out of that and it's a pretty ugly scenario unless we get Drouin or Mackinnon in the next draft. All in all, Evander Kane for Pacioretty strikes me as one of the few reasonable and realistic trades that could be made. Edmonton could perhaps offer Yakupov, but I feel like Edmonton is hoping for Yakupov to be better than Pacioretty down the line. It does seem a little overused, but the truth is that Pacioretty is far too valuable to Montreal, and the team has far too much invested in him for anything other than a drastic overpayment to get him.

My offer may not be what something you would take for him ( i honestly dont see a offer from the kings they would take) but value wise its not that bad William is a number one rw player penner/gagne are still a top 6 talents the other are roster player propects and potential number one goalie that would allow your team to trade price for more assets that would help a rebuilding team.

Honestly i dont see a offer where you would trade him he would be the forward i would build around if im montreal. I just had to make the offer because a line of him koptiar and brown would be amazing, Hes just the winger kopitar needs

Juxtaposer 12-17-2012 12:10 AM

One of the few players I'd consider moving Thornton for. Love the kid, and has an amazing contract on top of that.

Hugo Sham 12-17-2012 12:14 AM

yeah sure, let's trade the 1st legitimate power forward we've had since John Leclair. Makes sense, he's only signed for another 7 years, scored 30+ goals last year, is 24 Y.O... and well Habs have so much size in their top 6.

he's worth a lot. he's worth multiple high picks or an exchange of an equally high scoring, young talented forward

Hugo Sham 12-17-2012 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by KingCanadain1976 (Post 56612563)
My offer may not be what something you would take for him ( i honestly dont see a offer from the kings they would take) but value wise its not that bad William is a number one rw player penner/gagne are still a top 6 talents the other are roster player propects and potential number one goalie that would allow your team to trade price for more assets that would help a rebuilding team.

Honestly i dont see a offer where you would trade him he would be the forward i would build around if im montreal. I just had to make the offer because a line of him koptiar and brown would be amazing, Hes just the winger kopitar needs

no it's not value. it's older, very injure prone forwards with expiring contracts

glenbuis 12-17-2012 12:21 AM

You would consider moving Thornton for. I assume your meaning Joe Thornton. I know sanjose should consider a mini rebuild by getting what they can for boyle, thornton and marleau but your not gonna land a patches for thornton at this stage of their careers.

Juxtaposer 12-17-2012 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by glenbuis (Post 56612871)
You would consider moving Thornton for. I assume your meaning Joe Thornton. I know sanjose should consider a mini rebuild by getting what they can for boyle, thornton and marleau but your not gonna land a patches for thornton at this stage of their careers.

No, I mean Shawn Thornton.

MuzzaFuzza 12-17-2012 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TheJuxtaposer (Post 56612901)
No, I mean Shawn Thornton.

:laugh::laugh: This genuinely made me laugh. Like what else Thornton would you possibly be talking about?!?!:help:

palindrom 12-17-2012 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Montreal Shadow (Post 56609981)
He is worth more to Montreal than any team would be willing to give up.

But if he was on another team, would he worth more to this team than what Montreal would be willing to give up for him?

Just for fun, if he wasn't on our team, but on a team like Colombus, how much Montreal would be willing to give up for him?

Dangles78 12-17-2012 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxpac (Post 56611647)
Add a lot.. I know it's been used alot, but with Montreal's lack of big and talented wingers that can put it in the back of the net, he IS more valuable to us than what teams are willing to give. If anything the Habs need to get 1 more Pacioretty, not to lose the one we got. Unless Washington was willing to trade Ovechkin ot Pittsburgh would trade Malkin, there's no reason to package Pacioretty in any trade, especially for prospects since he is just 23 years old himself.

LOL what?

And what would that package look like :laugh:

palindrom 12-17-2012 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxpac (Post 56611647)
Add a lot.. I know it's been used alot, but with Montreal's lack of big and talented wingers that can put it in the back of the net, he IS more valuable to us than what teams are willing to give. If anything the Habs need to get 1 more Pacioretty, not to lose the one we got. Unless Washington was willing to trade Ovechkin ot Pittsburgh would trade Malkin, there's no reason to package Pacioretty in any trade, especially for prospects since he is just 23 years old himself.

for the record, he is actually 24yo.

Inflict 12-17-2012 01:23 AM

Pacioretty's value is probably at it's peak now. It is amazing how he came back with a 33 goal/65 point season after that horrific injury with a relatively weak supporting cast. His value should be pegged at a top 3 draft pick or a similar young franchise forward. It wouldn't make sense to trade him unless Montreal was given an offer that severely overpaid for him, so I wont even try :).


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