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Hockeygirl2748 12-19-2012 04:12 PM

Springfield Falcons/Kalamazoo Wings Thread IV (All Affiliate talk here)
 
Kreider has not impressed me in any of the games I have seen him play. The kid flops a lot to get penalties. :shakehead Luckily most of time it does not work.

As for Cam, after finally getting over the fact that he was not going to be in the NHL because of the lockout (it lasted about a month), he found his scoring touch. He has off games, like last Friday, but to be fair only 2 players played well that game. Calvert and Joudrey.

JAM, he could have an NHL future if he loses the ego and shuts his mouth. Chirps way too much and takes selfish penalties because of this.

The Rangers fans should have no comment on JAM, he was never an actual Rangers prospect. ;)

Falcons are at Portland tonight. Big game, the Pirates are playing good hockey, the Falcons are not lately.

Jovavic 12-19-2012 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockeygirl2748 (Post 56678349)
The kid flops a lot to get penalties. :shakehead Luckily most of time it does not work.

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I remember Nash doing this constantly his first few years in the NHL

Samkow 12-19-2012 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockeygirl2748 (Post 56678349)
Kreider has not impressed me in any of the games I have seen him play. The kid flops a lot to get penalties. :shakehead Luckily most of time it does not work.

As for Cam, after finally getting over the fact that he was not going to be in the NHL because of the lockout (it lasted about a month), he found his scoring touch. He has off games, like last Friday, but to be fair only 2 players played well that game. Calvert and Joudrey.

JAM, he could have an NHL future if he loses the ego and shuts his mouth. Chirps way too much and takes selfish penalties because of this.

The Rangers fans should have no comment on JAM, he was never an actual Rangers prospect. ;)

Falcons are at Portland tonight. Big game, the Pirates are playing good hockey, the Falcons are not lately.

Is Savard playing any better? The points sure are piling up for him...

Fel 96 12-19-2012 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockeygirl2748 (Post 56678349)
JAM, he could have an NHL future if he loses the ego and shuts his mouth. Chirps way too much and takes selfish penalties because of this.

The story of his life. Ha.

bizzz* 12-19-2012 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FunkyColdHrdina (Post 56681061)
I remember Nash doing this constantly his first few years in the NHL

Probably that's why the Rags fans were saying that he's compairable to Nash.

Now I see that the Falcons are affiliated with the Jackets. They held 2:1 lead and gave up 2 goals in 26 seconds. So familiar.

slightlystewpid420 12-19-2012 08:49 PM

Falcons lose 3-2 to portland

Johansen from Erixon and Atkinson
Savard from Drazenovic and Holden

York played and stopped 29/32 shots.

At least the top players continuing to put up points even though the falcons are going through some consistency problems. I mean really Schultz should have been in the nhl as long as eberle has. Just the fact that Atkinson was a 6th rd pick and is in the top 3 in scoring says something about his character and determination. They all seemed really focused at the task at hand and seem to playing as a team. Not worrying about whose going to get called up and who your going to be playing with next week.

I think whenever the nhl resumes the jackets are going to suprise a lot of people with the grit and offensive ability the D will posses mixed with some of our younger players and newly acquired players theres a lot of unknowns for the Jackets. Its the team has this huge void that rick nash left and its the first time a lot of the players on the team, new and old have had the oppurtunity to be a real leader and/or be a key player for a team.

Gagnefan924 12-20-2012 02:26 PM

David Savard is KILLING the A this year. 20 points in 26 games as a defender is pretty damn good. I know this is his 3rd season down there but its nice to see the development is starting to pay off. I really dont know what were gonna do with all these defensive studs in the next couple years when it comes to them making the big club.

slightlystewpid420 12-20-2012 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gagnefan924 (Post 56700387)
David Savard is KILLING the A this year. 20 points in 26 games as a defender is pretty damn good. I know this is his 3rd season down there but its nice to see the development is starting to pay off. I really dont know what were gonna do with all these defensive studs in the next couple years when it comes to them making the big club.

Use them. We have a lot of Dmen, and I dont really see Howson wanting to trade them. We have a mix of vets and youth on D and injuries are sure to happen. Having a deep corps of Dmen will help the club stay consistent down the road. He would be a fool to move some Dmen so soon.

EspenK 12-20-2012 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gagnefan924 (Post 56700387)
David Savard is KILLING the A this year. 20 points in 26 games as a defender is pretty damn good. I know this is his 3rd season down there but its nice to see the development is starting to pay off. I really dont know what were gonna do with all these defensive studs in the next couple years when it comes to them making the big club.

Lets assume we have 6 guys who are legitimate top 4 players a few years down the road. And a couple or three who are legitimate NHL blue liners. I say trade one for a NHL proven top 6 winger.

slightlystewpid420 12-20-2012 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by EspenK (Post 56702831)
Lets assume we have 6 guys who are legitimate top 4 players a few years down the road. And a couple or three who are legitimate NHL blue liners. I say trade one for a NHL proven top 6 winger.

Not yet. Let's see how they handle themselves first. The Jackets have so many questions at so many positions I think we need to wait another season before we make any more moves tbh

Crede777 12-20-2012 06:56 PM

With regards to the defensemen situation, keep them in this situation as long as possible.

That type of competition is good for them. Only when their roles are established should we think about potentially moving one.

At that point it would likely be to move him in a package for a desired forward or, even more likely, for a 1st round pick. Remember, many people don't think that Columbus has the deepest defensive prospect pool in the NHL. They'll give that honor to Pittsburgh or elsewhere. So while we do have studs in Murray, Moore, Savard, and Erixon (along with perhaps others), they are hardly sure-things.

EspenK 12-20-2012 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EspenK (Post 56702831)
Lets assume we have 6 guys who are legitimate top 4 players a few years down the road. And a couple or three who are legitimate NHL blue liners. I say trade one for a NHL proven top 6 winger.

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Originally Posted by slightlystewpid420 (Post 56704817)
Not yet. Let's see how they handle themselves first. The Jackets have so many questions at so many positions I think we need to wait another season before we make any more moves tbh

Gotta love the internet discussion. First poster states assumption;responder totally ignores assumption. :banghead:

Tis the season. Bah humbug. :laugh:

Hockeygirl2748 12-21-2012 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Gagnefan924 (Post 56700387)
David Savard is KILLING the A this year. 20 points in 26 games as a defender is pretty damn good. I know this is his 3rd season down there but its nice to see the development is starting to pay off. I really dont know what were gonna do with all these defensive studs in the next couple years when it comes to them making the big club.

Points do not make him a good defenseman. His defense is brutal. Constant turnovers and his skating is horrid. His heart is not there as it was as a rookie. His play angers me, I know if he got back into shape and the right mindset he would be so much better off.

Gagnefan924 12-21-2012 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockeygirl2748 (Post 56717309)
Points do not make him a good defenseman. His defense is brutal. Constant turnovers and his skating is horrid. His heart is not there as it was as a rookie. His play angers me, I know if he got back into shape and the right mindset he would be so much better off.

And I never did say that he's a good defender. You can't tell me he isn't killing the a, at least offensively though. That's good to know an opinion of someone who actually watches the games. How does he compare to Erixon or Moore? Overall game both offensively and defensively? Any idea when Johnny is supposed to be back?

Sore Loser 12-21-2012 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockeygirl2748 (Post 56717309)
Points do not make him a good defenseman. His defense is brutal. Constant turnovers and his skating is horrid. His heart is not there as it was as a rookie. His play angers me, I know if he got back into shape and the right mindset he would be so much better off.

Sounds a lot like a hugely successful defenseman already playing in the NHL. Dustin Byfuglien has been plagued by these sort of scouting reports throughout his entire career - right from his first time on the ice in the WHL. He's turned out just fine.

Granted, one success story doesn't make up for what is surely a ridiculous amount of failures, however, don't write him off just yet.

Hockeygirl2748 12-22-2012 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Gagnefan924 (Post 56718863)
And I never did say that he's a good defender. You can't tell me he isn't killing the a, at least offensively though. That's good to know an opinion of someone who actually watches the games. How does he compare to Erixon or Moore? Overall game both offensively and defensively? Any idea when Johnny is supposed to be back?

Moore is the best defenseman we have by quite a bit. He has improved so much in the past season and a half. His judgement on when to join the offensive play is better. Even has picked up the physical game a bit as well.

Erixon needs work. He loves to play an offensive game. Which I understand is his game. He gets caught out of position many times. He then takes penalties to try and catch the player. I like his shot and if he can work on his defense he can be a QB of a PP in the future. Not NHL-ready IMO, needs at least another season to work on his positioning and judgement on when to join the rush and when to stay back.

As for Moore's injury. No timetable and no concrete details. After taking an open ice hit last weekend he had spaghetti legs getting up. Played for the rest of the 3rd...my fear is concussion. We miss him on defense and I hate to see anyone injured, especially John though. Good kid.

Savard is a bigger but less talented version of Erixon. Savard does not use his shot as much as he did his rookie season, he needs to.

Hockeygirl2748 12-22-2012 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sore Loser (Post 56723179)
Sounds a lot like a hugely successful defenseman already playing in the NHL. Dustin Byfuglien has been plagued by these sort of scouting reports throughout his entire career - right from his first time on the ice in the WHL. He's turned out just fine.

Granted, one success story doesn't make up for what is surely a ridiculous amount of failures, however, don't write him off just yet.

If he shows more heart I will regain faith in him. I just feel as though he does not put in 100% or even 75% most games. I have not written him off, I was a fan of his play his rookie season. That makes it harder to see how far he has fallen.

Byrral 12-22-2012 08:44 PM

Falcon's continue to win. McElhinney with sixth SO. Congrats.

Matt 12-23-2012 08:10 AM

Wonder how much of his success is due to the defense in front of him.

stevo61 12-23-2012 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 56756553)
Wonder how much of his success is due to the defense in front of him.

A game like last night where he only saw 19 shots makes it easy to say he doesn't have the toughest job in the AHL but at the same time when he's been asked to make a big save he's been there. In my opinion the defense is making his job easier but at the same time he's doing his part helping them look good aswell

Sore Loser 12-23-2012 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 56756553)
Wonder how much of his success is due to the defense in front of him.

Unless you watch the games, it can be moot. Sure, the other team may have only had 19 shots on goal - but I've seen very good teams not have much success because their goalie either gets bored or distracted and isn't in the game. On the flipside, I've seen teams put up 60 shots on goal from around the perimeter, but lose a game 3-2 because of the 15 or 20 shots they've given up the other way, 10 of them are quality scoring chances.

In any circumstance, the goaltender still has to stop the puck. While I think we'd be kidding ourselves by saying that he's anything more than an AHL starter, you do have to give credit where credit is due. Fact of the matter is, it's a hard job.

CBJSprague24 12-24-2012 10:09 AM

Saturday's game vs. Connecticut will be streamed on the CBJ's website.

Hockey Sports Fan 12-27-2012 01:58 PM

Can anyone give me some pointers on the parking situation at MassMutual? I'm driving up there from CT tonight to get a look at Devils players. Googlemaps makes it look like there are some lots around and the website only said there are lots and garages in the area. Is there street parking?

Gagnefan924 12-29-2012 03:43 PM

Any idea when John Moore is supposed to be back? Would love to see where he is compared to Erixon/Savard and why he's "ahead" of them.

Jaxs 12-29-2012 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CBJSprague24 (Post 56780715)
Saturday's game vs. Connecticut will be streamed on the CBJ's website.

Bump 7:00 PM Tonight


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