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QMJHLfollower 12-19-2012 05:31 PM

Bruins - Maple Leafs
 
To Boston:

Cody Franson

To Toronto:

Jordan Caron + Boston 3rd round pick 2013

bruinsfan46 12-19-2012 05:38 PM

Cody Franson is an anti-Julien defenseman and Caron is having a terrible year. It would be just making a trade to make a trade.

MastuhNinks 12-19-2012 05:41 PM

Nothing against Caron but I don't see it happening. Going into next season the Leafs have Phaneuf, Gunnar, Gardiner, Liles, Komisarek, Holzer, Franson on defense. Franson could be the #7 guy or he could also be on the 2nd pairing with Gardiner, only time will tell. If the Leafs hadn't traded Schenn this would have been intriguing, but right now despite it being an area of strength in the prospect department, the Leafs seem to only have 7 NHL-ready defensemen, so I don't know why they'd trade one for a guy that projects to be a 2nd line winger, something the Leafs already have a lot of.

The Podium 12-19-2012 05:45 PM

Values there and I really like Caron, I'd do it if there was no other options but I do feel franson should be dealt and I'd be content with this return.

7even 12-19-2012 06:32 PM

Oh Toronto's trading with Boston? I hope Franson enjoys his Norris.

Oates2Neely 12-19-2012 06:33 PM

I don't see the point. Caron is slotted in on Boston's 3rd LW. Hamilton expected to be the #6 dman, with Krug slotting as the #7. Why give up your 3rd line LW for a dman who will be your #8?

7even 12-19-2012 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Oates2Neely (Post 56681499)
I don't see the point. Caron is slotted in on Boston's 3rd LW. Hamilton expected to be the #6 dman, with Krug slotting as the #7. Why give up your 3rd line LW for a dman who will be your #8?

Honestly I don't think that's being perfectly fair to Cody Franson. Last season he finished 40th out of all defenders for points/60 minutes of ice time, ahead of players like Del Zotto, Streit, Erhoff and everyone's favourite offensive phenom Jake Gardiner. He ranked 15th out of all defenders in power play points/60 as well. Franson is a good young player who was managed just awfully by Toronto's coaching staff last season.

Oates2Neely 12-19-2012 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7even (Post 56682093)
Honestly I don't think that's being perfectly fair to Cody Franson. Last season he finished 40th out of all defenders for points/60 minutes of ice time, ahead of players like Del Zotto, Streit, Erhoff and everyone's favourite offensive phenom Jake Gardiner. He ranked 15th out of all defenders in power play points/60 as well. Franson is a good young player who was managed just awfully by Toronto's coaching staff last season.

He's a defense-man,, where does he rank on defensive rankings?

seanlinden 12-19-2012 07:16 PM

Not the worst proposal out there. Franson's got a ton of potential (learn from Chara) but isn't the right fit for Toronto right now...

Problem is -- Caron really doesn't address any of Toronto's needs. We've got substantially more forward prospects who need NHL time than we have space to develop. If Caron hasn't gone to waste already, he will in Toronto. McQuaid or Boychuk might be a better target.

7even 12-19-2012 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Oates2Neely (Post 56682217)
He's a defense-man,, where does he rank on defensive rankings?

Oh right I forgot that a defenseman's value is limited strictly to his defensive acumen, just like forwards should be evaluated solely on their ability to play offense.

TOGuy14 12-19-2012 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oates2Neely (Post 56682217)
He's a defense-man,, where does he rank on defensive rankings?

Poor Erik Karlsson, must get no love from you

capitalsrock 12-19-2012 07:23 PM

I don't think Boston needs to add the pick because IMO Caron > Franson

Oates2Neely 12-19-2012 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7even (Post 56682429)
Oh right I forgot that a defenseman's value is limited strictly to his defensive acumen, just like forwards should be evaluated solely on their ability to play offense.

I just find it amusing that youre ONLY using (points per 60 mins) and (pp points per 60) to describe a defensemans value. Odd. Especially considering that Franson couldn't nail down a spot or earn himself a contract on a team who was ranked near the very bottom of the entire league defensively.

TmlHockeyFan 12-19-2012 07:33 PM

No more deals with Boston please. We always lost in the last few deals...

Oates2Neely 12-19-2012 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TmlHockeyFan (Post 56682727)
No more deals with Boston please. We always lost in the last few deals...

Really? You got yourselves a big tall & talented future #1 center in exchange for Kaberle

TmlHockeyFan 12-19-2012 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Oates2Neely (Post 56682751)
Really? You got yourselves a big tall & talented future #1 center in exchange for Kaberle

He's not necessarily a #1 Centre. He isn't exactly playing well in the AHL right now either... not that I've given up on him (he got to points today so far). But since the beginning of this season he's been invisible most games. He looks like a player to be patient with him. The way things are going right now, it seems like his ceiling is as a 3rd line centre, MAYBE 2nd line centre. I can't say we won this trade until he actually cracks the lineup. I wouldn't trade him right now though. He seems like a player you have to be patient with.

WhatASaveDave 12-19-2012 07:47 PM

I'd do it easily but I don't think Boston needs to add the pick

7even 12-19-2012 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oates2Neely (Post 56682709)
I just find it amusing that youre ONLY using (points per 60 mins) and (pp points per 60) to describe a defensemans value. Odd. Especially considering that Franson couldn't nail down a spot or earn himself a contract on a team who was ranked near the very bottom of the entire league defensively.

No **** I'm using offensive metrics to evaluate an offensive defenseman. ****ing revolutionary, I know.

Hennig 12-19-2012 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oates2Neely (Post 56682709)
I just find it amusing that youre ONLY using (points per 60 mins) and (pp points per 60) to describe a defensemans value. Odd. Especially considering that Franson couldn't nail down a spot or earn himself a contract on a team who was ranked near the very bottom of the entire league defensively.

You find his argument odd, then you go and say that?

What about players like, P.K Subban, Dmitry Kulikov, Jamie Benn and Ryan O'Reilly? I agree Franson isn't the best defensive defenseman available, but your surely able to come up with a better argument than that, right?

Oates2Neely 12-19-2012 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TmlHockeyFan (Post 56682809)
He's not necessarily a #1 Centre. He isn't exactly playing well in the AHL right now either... not that I've given up on him (he got to points today so far). But since the beginning of this season he's been invisible most games. He looks like a player to be patient with him. The way things are going right now, it seems like his ceiling is as a 3rd line centre, MAYBE 2nd line centre. I can't say we won this trade until he actually cracks the lineup. I wouldn't trade him right now though. He seems like a player you have to be patient with.

I was of course just pulling your leg, but the Kaberle trade wasn't a steal for Boston. It worked out well for both franchises was my point.

Oates2Neely 12-19-2012 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hennig (Post 56683053)
You find his argument odd, then you go and say that?

I guess that means players like, P.K Subban, Dmitry Kulikov, Jamie Benn all suck? I agree Franson isn't the best defensive defenseman available, but your surely able to come up with a better argument than that, right?

Subban is actually very good defensively. I don't watch Kulikov enough to comment. Benn is a forward

7even 12-19-2012 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hennig (Post 56683053)
You find his argument odd, then you go and say that?

I guess that means players like, P.K Subban, Dmitry Kulikov, Jamie Benn all suck? I agree Franson isn't the best defensive defenseman available, but your surely able to come up with a better argument than that, right?

Nah man, if you're an RFA and haven't signed a new contract in a league that's suspended all activity and doesn't have an operating collective bargaining agreement, you're a bum.

Hennig 12-19-2012 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Oates2Neely (Post 56683115)
Subban is actually very good defensively. I don't watch Kulikov enough to comment. Benn is a forward

Those are all RFA's who still haven't agreed to a contract with their teams before the CBA expired. So I was wondering why for Franson, it means he sucks because he wasn't able to earn himself a contract, yet for some reason that logic doesn't apply for the others.

Mystifo 12-19-2012 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oates2Neely (Post 56681499)
I don't see the point. Caron is slotted in on Boston's 3rd LW. Hamilton expected to be the #6 dman, with Krug slotting as the #7. Why give up your 3rd line LW for a dman who will be your #8?

Don't you see man!!! If you trade with TOR Franson instantly becomes a #2D and Caron becomes a bust of a player. For BOS it is pretty win win.

Halpysback* 12-19-2012 08:17 PM

Has Caron really fallen that much?


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