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Le CH 12-21-2012 04:33 PM

NHLPA Given Authority to File Disclaimer of Interest
 
TSN reporting the players have approved DOI... not a surprise but it seems official.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=412078

Fugu 12-21-2012 04:38 PM

Overwhelmingly voted in support.

Do Make Say Think 12-21-2012 04:40 PM

What happens next?! This is getting interesting

mouser 12-21-2012 04:43 PM

Can anyone offer up some examples of non-sports unions that DOI'ed 100% of the union membership?

MoreOrr 12-21-2012 04:50 PM

Not impressed!
Oh the unbearable hardship of life as a player in the NHL. Hockey players from 17 countries outside Canada and the US come to be mistreated and underpaid in the NHL. Woe is the life of an NHL player.

Of course this as yet doesn't mean much until the next vote.

Fugu 12-21-2012 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreOrr (Post 56724445)
Not impressed!
Oh the unbearable hardship of life as a player in the NHL. Hockey players from 17 countries outside Canada and the US come to be mistreated and underpaid in the NHL. Woe is the life of an NHL player.

Of course this as yet doesn't mean much until the next vote.


Quit yer whingin', MO. :laugh:

Besides, this sidesteps the issues between the two philosophically.

Ernie 12-21-2012 04:55 PM

I wonder what the numbers were?

At this point there should be no misconception as to what happens if the NHL cancels the season. Even if the courts say that the disclaimer of interest is invalid, it will harder for them to strike down full decertification.

Best case scenario for the fans if the season is cancelled would be for the courts to quickly order the lockout illegal. Then we'd either have a season, or the NHL would be paying the players to sit and do nothing. Though that too would be subject to appeal.

Fugu 12-21-2012 05:02 PM

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/20891?

Quote:

The NHLPA decided Friday to keep the results of the vote an internal matter, but several players confirmed to ESPN.com that the membership delivered a resounding "Yes" in giving the executive board the authorization to file a disclaimer of interest before Jan. 2 (they needed two-thirds majority).


Which should surprise no one given that every player quoted in the past week predicted as much.
...
But for now, the thought is that the focus between now and then should be on trying to hammer out a deal with the NHL once and for all. In other words, the hope is that the threat of the disclaimer will produce movement, just as it did in the NBA last year.
And my guess is, the NHLPA will relay that exact message to the NHL: Its board has the hammer, but the focus right now is on getting back together and getting a deal done.

For those who don’t think the NHLPA will file the disclaimer, think again. On Friday, one NHL player told ESPN.com that, although the focus clearly is on getting a deal done, he believes the disclaimer is a "serious step we may have to take."


MoreOrr 12-21-2012 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fugu (Post 56724739)

It also should surprise no one in that this vote technically means nothing. It's primarily purpose is the threat that it presents.

Not saying that the next vote won't be with a similar result; just that this one has almost zero surprise factor. Disappointment factor, Yes, surprise, No.

Fugu 12-21-2012 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreOrr (Post 56724837)
It also should surprise no one in that this vote technically means nothing. It's primarily purpose is the threat that it presents.

Not saying that the next vote won't be with a similar result; just that this one has almost zero surprise factor. Disappointment factor, Yes, surprise, No.


What next vote? This one means the PA leadership can take that next step, no more voting. You're overlooking that the PA didn't even need to vote on a DOI, although they would need a third to start decertification, and then a majority once the NLRB held a vote for official decertification.

MoreOrr 12-21-2012 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fugu (Post 56724969)
What next vote? This one means the PA leadership can take that next step, no more voting. You're overlooking that the PA didn't even need to vote on a DOI, although they would need a third to start decertification, and then a majority once the NLRB held a vote for official decertification.

Ok, so the "next step" isn't a vote, but they still need to take it, and if the owners don't bow to this pressure, then with Fehr at the helm the players likely will take that next definitive step.

Dado 12-21-2012 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoreOrr (Post 56725223)
Ok, so the "next step" isn't a vote, but they still need to take it, and if the owners don't bow to this pressure, then with Fehr at the helm the players likely will take that next definitive step.

I hope they do.

All these machinations are more entertaining than mid-season hockey, anyway.

Capsized 12-21-2012 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dado (Post 56725253)
I hope they do.

All these machinations are more entertaining than mid-season hockey, anyway.

Agreed! I hope this goes on for years! It is like a soap opera! I can't wait to see what happens when they dissolve the union! This is much more entertaining than Bettman's vision for the NHL. I am stoked!:handclap:

Stickmata 12-21-2012 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Fugu (Post 56724159)
Overwhelmingly voted in support.

Doesn't mean much of anything yet. The players have said as much. They had no option but to vote in favor, or risk looking like they weren't united. They also really had no choice, because their lack of leverage is becoming quite obvious to everyone, them included (finally). Decertification is all they have left. The question is, are they just threatening, hoping to improve a deal they're already intending to sign before Jan 2, or are they serious about shutting it all down and heading to the courts. Honestly, I think that, while the NHL would prefer the former, they don't intend to do anything to entice the union to do it. I think the owners just yawned and went back to running their other businesses until the NHLPA decides what it's next step is.

htpwn 12-21-2012 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ernie (Post 56724569)
I wonder what the numbers were?

At this point there should be no misconception as to what happens if the NHL cancels the season. Even if the courts say that the disclaimer of interest is invalid, it will harder for them to strike down full decertification.

Best case scenario for the fans if the season is cancelled would be for the courts to quickly order the lockout illegal. Then we'd either have a season, or the NHL would be paying the players to sit and do nothing. Though that too would be subject to appeal.

Quote:

Several players have confirmed to TSN that the NHL Players' Association's membership voted 706-22 on Friday to give the union the power to file a disclaimer of interest by Jan. 2.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=412078

Wonder which players were among the 22 who voted against?

norrisnick 12-21-2012 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htpwn (Post 56726947)
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=412078

Wonder which players were among the 22 who voted against?

Probably the 22 players with massive contracts that are very unlikely of getting them again in a free for all market should the current contracts go poof...

luongo321 12-21-2012 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htpwn (Post 56726947)
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=412078

Wonder which players were among the 22 who voted against?

Lapierre, Burrows, Brown, Marchand, Avery (is he still in the league?), Ott. All of the trolls in the league. :laugh:

flameaholic 12-21-2012 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Stickmata (Post 56725677)
next step

I think they'll continue to negotiate until the season is officially cancelled. Once the season is cancelled, they'll 'decertify' and take Bettman and the league to court.

And then it'll get interesting. :pillow:

Lacaar 12-21-2012 07:02 PM

This is about the same threat level to the NHL as the Daryl Kaetz tour of Seattle threat to move the Oilers.

Just another page out of the Union Playbook that was run by the NFL and NBA. Did absolutely nothing for them either. Wonder why the keep the play in the book. Actually that's probably why it was run so late. They know it's pretty much useless.

At least the NHL owners playbook proves effective.

It's like watching Butter's from southpark play professor chaos.

Confucius 12-21-2012 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schminksbro (Post 56725369)
Agreed! I hope this goes on for years! It is like a soap opera! I can't wait to see what happens when they dissolve the union! This is much more entertaining than Bettman's vision for the NHL. I am stoked!:handclap:

Well if it goes on a couple of more years, 95% of the players will be UFA's anyway.:yo:

Timmy 12-21-2012 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Stix and Stones (Post 56727355)
Well if it goes on a couple of more years, 95% of the players will be UFA's anyway.:yo:

...and be semi-fluent in Russian.

castle 12-21-2012 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by luongo321 (Post 56727049)
Lapierre, Burrows, Brown, Marchand, Avery (is he still in the league?), Ott. All of the trolls in the league. :laugh:

isn't there a goalie... with the NYI... got a few years left on his contract...

Fugu 12-21-2012 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htpwn (Post 56726947)
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=412078

Wonder which players were among the 22 who voted against?


Hamrlik.

Wasn't there another guy who voiced support. That's two. :D

Hawker14 12-21-2012 08:18 PM

If contracts are voided and there is no longer a draft, should be for some exciting times around here !

Pepper 12-21-2012 08:22 PM

I just hope that all members have a chance to vote on accepting the final NHL offer come deadline.

If a majority of players want to miss the season, so be it. Just let them a have a chance to vote on it (and the vote should be a secret ballot).


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