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Juzmo 12-22-2012 03:57 PM

RW Joel Armia (2011, 16th overall, Buffalo; traded to WPG) II
 
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Link to Part 1

Juzmo 12-26-2012 06:09 AM

Gave nice assists to two goals today against Latvia in the 5-1. Was also a couple of dangles and a chance or two, but overall not much effort as expected.

3-1 M.Aaltonen (Armia)


4-1 Ma.Granlund (Armia)

Juzmo 12-31-2012 10:11 AM

Played a great game against the Swedes aside from the penalty at the end of the game. A goal from a snipe close from the net that went in from near corner and then a one-timer going to the goal right above the goaltender's pad on the near side.

So in four games Armia managed to score those two goals and then give a total of three assists, but overall was a disappointment. The Czech game and the first two periods of the Switzerland game with the turnovers and lazy play was just something that was not acceptable.

Next up the relegation games and then back to SM-liiga. Based on what I've seen in these four games I won't be expecting the same good second half as last year.

Just have to hope things would turn around once he gets to NA.

Edit. The goals:


Juzmo 01-04-2013 10:05 AM

The relegation games went well and in the two games there Armia racked up seven points (four goals and three assists). Before the bronze and gold medal games Armia is the leading scorer of the WJC with six goals and six assists for a total of 12 points in six games.

Well, hopefully these last three games got Armia's confidence up a bit.



3-0 Barkov (Armia) @ 2:17
6-0 Barkov (Armia, Vainio) @ 3:42
8-0 Armia (Ristolainen, Granlund) @ 4:54

Chainshot 01-04-2013 10:54 AM

The lack of easy viewing coverage for that Pool left me without any time to watch Armia live in-tournament. What is the concensus on his WJC play?

Dubi Doo 01-04-2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chainshot (Post 57096329)
The lack of easy viewing coverage for that Pool left me without any time to watch Armia live in-tournament. What is the concensus on his WJC play?

From what I've read, he struggled heavily when it mattered, and thrived against weaker competition.

Pretty disappointing, imo.

Haite 01-04-2013 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dubi Doo (Post 57096715)
From what I've read, he struggled heavily when it mattered, and thrived against weaker competition.

Pretty disappointing, imo.

Had a solid game against Sweden, scoring 2 goals, and played well in the last 2 periods of the game against Switzerland. Played bad in the first games, making stupid plays and looking lazy overall. So it's quite the opposite, albeit the Czech game did prove to be more significant that it might've seemed earlier on.

Overall, Armia's performance was disappointing, but really, the biggest thing for him right now would be getting the mental side together.

toewsintangibles 01-04-2013 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dubi Doo (Post 57096715)
From what I've read, he struggled heavily when it mattered, and thrived against weaker competition.

Pretty disappointing, imo.

He scored 2 goals against Sweden

Gaps 01-04-2013 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Haite (Post 57097081)
Overall, Armia's performance was disappointing, but really, the biggest thing for him right now would be getting the mental side together.

Amen. It's not okay to show up only when you feel like it and are inspired by the opponent. Skill-wise he's definitely NHL-caliber.

Dubi Doo 01-04-2013 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by toewsintangibles (Post 57097119)
He scored 2 goals against Sweden

Whoops.

Armia is one of my favorite prospects. So I'm really rooting for him. I'm no hater, haha. I honestly didn't see one of his games. I was going based off of what other posters had said.

SuperNintendoChalmrs 01-04-2013 03:19 PM

Finland looked to struggle in most of the games I saw. Korpisalo was hung out to dry quite often. The team didn't mesh that well. Armia and Granlund / Barkov did make some plays / goals though.

Juzmo 01-05-2013 05:18 PM


urho 01-05-2013 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by toewsintangibles (Post 57097119)
He scored 2 goals against Sweden

Even considering this, he was one of the biggest disappointments in the whole tournament for me. His play practically slowed whole team Finland down in the first 3 games since he was always on the top line and was playing like he was mentally ******** egomaniac - making his linemates next to useless.

He really needs to improve the mental aspect of his game. Maybe do what Olli Jokinen did and get a psychologist specially for that matter?

jesui 01-05-2013 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by urho (Post 57151579)
Even considering this, he was one of the biggest disappointments in the whole tournament for me. His play practically slowed whole team Finland down in the first 3 games since he was always on the top line and was playing like he was mentally ******** egomaniac - making his linemates next to useless.

He really needs to improve the mental aspect of his game. Maybe do what Olli Jokinen did and get a psychologist specially for that matter?

All i want to say is ****.
Guy had twoconcussions and militaryservice right before this tournament, still he finished second in scoring in this tournament.
Ofc he is one of the biggest dissapointment!
He had two bad games, give the guy a break! No matter how you put it, he's the most talented kid from finland for ages!

jesui 01-05-2013 08:04 PM

**** is for sat the fak up, and shame.

start winnin 01-05-2013 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jesui (Post 57154053)
All i want to say is ****.
Guy had twoconcussions and militaryservice right before this tournament, still he finished second in scoring in this tournament.
Ofc he is one of the biggest dissapointment!
He had two bad games, give the guy a break! No matter how you put it, he's the most talented kid from finland for ages!

Unless there are lingering concussion issues(which he should not playing if so), the rest shouldn't have any real effect on Armia's play. He's still inconsistent as hell, if the guy gets his head on straight he will be a star.

I BELIEVE IN YOU ARMIA GOOO

Panopticon 01-08-2013 01:52 PM

I don't like him. And that's just an opinion. But watching him play was often almost infuriating.

He's got skills, but he makes too many stupid mistakes with the puck and generally looks (and is) way too lazy. I'd be surprised if he ever really makes it in the NHL without major adjustments to both playing style and attitude.

1972 01-08-2013 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Panopticon (Post 57294973)
I don't like him. And that's just an opinion. But watching him play was often almost infuriating.

He's got skills, but he makes too many stupid mistakes with the puck and generally looks (and is) way too lazy. I'd be surprised if he ever really makes it in the NHL without major adjustments to both playing style and attitude.

I would question if you have seen him very often

Huffman 01-08-2013 02:26 PM

I've liked him a lot the few times I watched him.

BobDobolina 01-08-2013 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panopticon (Post 57294973)
I don't like him. And that's just an opinion. But watching him play was often almost infuriating.

He's got skills, but he makes too many stupid mistakes with the puck and generally looks (and is) way too lazy. I'd be surprised if he ever really makes it in the NHL without major adjustments to both playing style and attitude.

Couldn't agree more. Soft as baby poo most of the time, turnover machine, piss-poor attitude. Just an incredibly frustrating player to watch.

Gaps 01-08-2013 02:51 PM

He is frustrating, because his skill set is so great but often he's too lazy to let it really show. It's a real shame.

I do have to appreciate his capability of getting PP for Ässät. In the last SM-liiga game I saw from him, the other team took 3 or 4 penalties because they weren't able to contain Armia with means allowed by the rules. According to Jatkoaika, Kärpät took at least two penalties caused by Armia tonight. From what I've seen, it's partly due to Armia falling down suspiciously easily for such a big guy. The funniest of the 3 or 4 penalties he caused was when was tripped by an opponent, fell down (no visible diving this time at least), got up pretty quickly but apparently thought there wasn't going to be a penalty because he all but jumped back down, laid down on his back and it looked like he was moaning. The ref had already decided to give a penalty, so the theatrics were unnecessary, but I have to say it was pretty funny.

start winnin 01-08-2013 03:04 PM

My biggest problem with Armia is that he tends to turnover the puck because he's trying to be too fancy with the puck, that can be taught, you can't teach his size, scoring ability and the things he can do with the puck. I don't think he's soft at all, just because he doesn't hit people doesn't mean he's soft.

Oh, and he's a little lazy. :laugh:

1972 01-08-2013 04:43 PM

seems like every big player who unlimited amount of skill is labeled as "lazy" or "inconsistent"

The only thing that is holding him back is learning that less is more, he just needs to simplify his game and he will be good.

Juzmo 01-15-2013 01:23 PM

He didn't look anything special for the first three games after the WJC, but today played quite a good game (though I missed the last period when Armia got his name on the scoresheet). Was a big part of the comeback when Ässät was losing three to nothing after the first, but came back and then lost in OT five to four. Armia assisted Ässät's second goal and then tied it four to four with under two minutes left after he stole the puck from a defenceman and got into a breakaway.

YARR123 01-15-2013 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Juzmo (Post 57632083)
He didn't look anything special for the first three games after the WJC, but today played quite a good game (though I missed the last period when Armia got his name on the scoresheet). Was a big part of the comeback when Ässät was losing three to nothing after the first, but came back and then lost in OT five to four. Armia assisted Ässät's second goal and then tied it four to four with under two minutes left after he stole the puck from a defenceman and got into a breakaway.

How did his overall game look like?Did we see a straightforward Armia or dangly Armia?


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