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Epictetus 12-28-2012 10:28 AM

World Junior Championships 2013 - Discussion II
 
Last one hit over 1,000 posts.

Link to the last thread: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1307037

Badger Mayhew 12-28-2012 10:30 AM

Jones is getting too much hate. He just had an off game, and his bad plays have been over-scrutinized.

Hurt 12-28-2012 10:33 AM

Stickied.

mikebel111 12-28-2012 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Badger Mayhew (Post 56866441)
Jones is getting too much hate. He just had an off game, and his bad plays have been over-scrutinized.



it's what we leaf fans do
it will never change

ErnieLeafs 12-28-2012 10:39 AM

It's not hate. Most people realize that one off game doesn't define a player. Often times, games like this are good for kids. It's a learning experience. He can sot down with the staff, watch the tape, and move forward.

He'll be fine. Dynamite player. Canada has to find a way to limit his skating room.

ULF_55 12-28-2012 10:49 AM

We all knew that there would be players that get no attention in North America that look pretty good when they're on the ice with their peers.

Russia is a little different than Germany.

Giuseppe Sallo 12-28-2012 10:54 AM

^^THIS.

USA got PWNED today. Jones' had an off game but he'll bounce back. Russia impressed me, especially Mackie in net. Canada will have to get bodies in front of mackie.

Hurt 12-28-2012 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ULF_55 (Post 56867151)
We all knew that there would be players that get no attention in North America that look pretty good when they're on the ice with their peers.

Russia is a little different than Germany.

Camar sounds like a perfect example. Danault to some extent as well.

ULF_55 12-28-2012 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Giuseppe Sallo (Post 56867319)
^^THIS.

USA got PWNED today. Jones' had an off game but he'll bounce back. Russia impressed me, especially Mackie in net. Canada will have to get bodies in front of mackie.

I thought there was ebb and flow in this game and both goalies made some good saves. Russia had a couple clear chances that were stymied that might have really turned the game into a route, but in the 2nd. the Americans controlled much of the game.

A few people on the draft thread had Nichushkin rated quite high ... they may have been Euro posters, but obvious he can skate and is a bull. Not sure about his hands or IQ.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=84966
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

Leaf Rocket 12-28-2012 11:08 AM

Good to hear Rielly doing well and Canada win!

Hurt 12-28-2012 11:12 AM

Subban makes me nervous.

Giuseppe Sallo 12-28-2012 11:12 AM

The CAMARA hit was clean. He didn't leave his feet, and people like to think it was dirty. Unfortunate the guy got hurt that was the basis of the penalty according to the rule book.


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Russia had a couple clear chances that were stymied that might have really turned the game into a route, but in the 2nd. the Americans controlled much of the game.
Russians dominated the 1st and 3rd periods. Mackie was outstanding. Valeri stood out to me... and Yakupov is a selfish player.

Giuseppe Sallo 12-28-2012 11:26 AM

Am I the only one who thinks TSN reporter Nabil Karim looks a lot like Dev Patel from The Last Airbender?

Interactif 12-28-2012 11:27 AM

Anyone that likes European no touch hockey will love the Camara 5 and a game. Even the ref said it was a clean hit. Said it again, hockey was invented by us and we have these no touch pansy euro's calling 5 and game penalties for sneezing on players. Terribly calls.

Interactif 12-28-2012 11:30 AM

Have to say this, Finns lost. Atleast one poster isn't surprised when all you read last week was they were a gold worthy team. Haven't heard Barkov's name much yet.

Leaf Rocket 12-28-2012 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Giuseppe Sallo (Post 56868335)
Am I the only one who thinks TSN reporter Nabil Karim looks a lot like Dev Patel from The Last Airbender?

OT: I sort of see where you are coming from.

Leaf Rocket 12-28-2012 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Interactif (Post 56868477)
Have to say this, Finns lost. Atleast one poster isn't surprised when all you read last week was they were a gold worthy team. Haven't heard Barkov's name much yet.

If only a game decided a players worth then Ruslan Fedetenko would be a star in this league and Maxime Talbot would be better than Sidney Crosby.

ULF_55 12-28-2012 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Interactif (Post 56868477)
Have to say this, Finns lost. Atleast one poster isn't surprised when all you read last week was they were a gold worthy team. Haven't heard Barkov's name much yet.

Americans lost. But it isn't like anyone was saying they were the best team. :sarcasm: I heard quite a lot about Jones watching the winning goal. :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

Interactif 12-28-2012 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ULF_55 (Post 56868563)
Americans lost. But it isn't like anyone was saying they were the best team. :sarcasm: I heard quite a lot about Jones watching the winning goal. :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

Judging by the highlights that game could have gone either way. And its the Russians, tournament favs for gold, I maintain the pre tourney games home ice, ref advantage in Finland games were basically meaningless, I am not trying to be negative as to being realistic with all the Barkov, Finn bandwagon talk.

ULF_55 12-28-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Interactif (Post 56868787)
Judging by the highlights that game could have gone either way. And its the Russians, tournament favs for gold, I maintain the pre tourney games home ice, ref advantage in Finland games were basically meaningless, hey I am not trying to be negative, just being realistic with all the Barkov, Finn bandwagon talk.

Maybe we should temper the Jones hype then?

Interactif 12-28-2012 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Rocket (Post 56868549)
If only a game decided a players worth then Ruslan Fedetenko would be a star in this league and Maxime Talbot would be better than Sidney Crosby.

Valeri Nickhuskin just did, it showed what type of prospect this kid could be on the game winning goal, its the reason why I am so high on this kid. What a power rush to assist on that key goal, and to make it mean more, it was at a key moment of the game. Things I touched on about him months ago. He's going to be a good one.

Interactif 12-28-2012 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ULF_55 (Post 56868891)
Maybe we should temper the Jones hype then?

WHL hype?

Leaf Rocket 12-28-2012 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Interactif (Post 56868963)
Valeri Nickhuskin just did, it showed what type of prospect this kid could be on the game winning goal, its the reason why I am so high on this kid. What a power rush to assist on that key goal, and to make it mean more, it was at a key moment of the game. Things I touched on about him months ago. He's going to be a good one.

The point I am trying to convey is that a game or two games doesn't define a player or a prospect, neither does a tournament. Rielly a game back wasn't making much of a spark but if I was someone else who had no idea on what he is capable of, just took that game for my assessment then I'd easily say he's a non-factor player.

Interactif 12-28-2012 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Leaf Rocket (Post 56869043)
The point I am trying to convey is that a game or two games doesn't define a player or a prospect, neither does a tournament. Rielly a game back wasn't making much of a spark but if I was someone else who had no idea on what he is capable of, just took that game for my assessment then I'd easily say he's a non-factor player.

My point is just as someone can downplay the significance of the tourney, more times than not, this is the tourney most hockey people consider as the most important for hockey prospects since they are playing an intense brand of hockey against their own peer group. This tournament means a lot to all nations, and it does it can be a great predictor of talent as it has been for many great NHL players.

Leaf Rocket 12-28-2012 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Interactif (Post 56869277)
My point is just as someone can downplay the significance of the tourney, more times than not, this is the tourney most hockey people consider as the most important for hockey prospects since they are playing an intense brand of hockey against their own peer group. This tournament means a lot to all nations, and it does it can be a great predictor of talent as it has been for many great NHL players.

You are forgetting Barkov is also one of the youngest in the tourney. Not to mention we have been in this same area in the past with wellwood, carlo coliacovo and steen. Pogge being the most obvious one. Out of those guys steen has probably made the best impact as a solid two way player. Pogge is still a work in progress and not many are sure if he'll hit it. This tournament might boost up rankings but it doesn't always define the prospect. Yes I see the value of this tournament as it's a fight between nations for pride but it won't define how their careers will take off nor will it define their true potential and skill, it can only give us a little view on what's possible not probable.

You like Huberdeau as he's quite the player so it's surprising you are underplaying the skill Barkov as they are similar.


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