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hototogisu 12-28-2012 10:56 AM

Group B • Dec. 28 • Russia 2, United States 1 • Part II
 
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Xokkeu 12-28-2012 10:59 AM

I was quoting a post, I think it was Dynamo81's when the last thread was closed.


I was going to say that Nichuskin's game winning assist was a bit fortunate with how the puck bounced. Galchenyuk had a similar play but the puck bounced to a Russian defender and was cleared. That's the way the game goes though. Sometimes you get the bounce sometimes you don't.

Also I don't think Galchenyuk had a bad game when he was on the ice like a lot of American fans are saying. I thought he looked energized and tried to make plays. I really would like him moved back to center so that he can handle the puck more. He's a solid defensively player so I don't think he needs to be sheltered on the wing.

RPGrizzly 12-28-2012 11:06 AM

I know its probably been discussed before but I've always wondered about Gibson's mask. It seems like it would restrict his vision when the puck is low in the slot or in the crease. Does it? It just looked like on the 2nd goal he lost sight of the puck after Nichushkin's rush and didn't know where it was until it was banged home in the slot. Then again it looked like none of the 4 US players crowded down there did either. So does anyone know if Gibson's mask poses any kind of issue? :help:

KareemTrustfund 12-28-2012 11:07 AM

It'll be interesting to see who gets the next start for the Russians. Both Makarov and Vasilevski have been great.

Also, good to see Yakupov going down for that blocked shot in the third. Kucherov and Grigorenko look great together aswell.

Kershaw 12-28-2012 11:07 AM

Seth Jones is brutal! There is no way he's the next Pronger like HF is hyping him up to be.

Kshahdoo 12-28-2012 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingKostitsyn (Post 56867519)
I wish Galchenyuk played more and/or had better linemates...

He should chose to play for Russia for this...

AmericanDream 12-28-2012 11:08 AM

I think the US really lacked that killer instinct. with under 5 minutes in the game, they played the same way the did the entire game. Thats not entirely a bad thing as this group looked calm and didnt panic, but I just wanted to see a bit more bite in the final minutes as every point matters in seedings.

I also got frustrated with the amount of times the US gained the zone and had a trailer wide open only to see them work it cross ice or dump it behind the net. cant count the amount of time I screamed "drop the puck back"!! "hes wide open!" Maybe that is an issue of lack of communication between players, but it happened a lot and could have led to many more chances.

Positives:

Gibson looked great. If the US doesnt medal, I doubt it will be on his shoulders. I really like his poise and calm demeaner. Kid looks to be a real bright spot for this team.

We only lost 2-1 to a Russian team playing at home with Galchenyuk and our top line really doing nothing, and our 3rd line Biggs-Trocheck-Lucia really not being on the ice a ton...I take that as a positive as we have a real good team, that should have played better but still outplayed Russia in this loss with some of our better players not doing a lot. We cant have that happen again against Canada, but I take it as a positive to move in the right direction.

Ryan Hartman is a great player. I cant say it enough how impressed with him I am. Everytime he touched the puck he was making something happen. He needs to get moved up to the top line IMO, as he could cause a lot of havoc with Galy.

Our defense was fine, especially Mike Reilly. Very impressed with him away from the puck. From what I felt would be his weakness, kid stepped up and made some impressive plays away from the puck. Overall our defense made mistakes, which is going to happen this early on, but you can see the talent, speed, and puck moving ability of this group. Gostisbehere was solid as well.

Overall it was a good game for the US. We have areas to work on, but I came away impressed that this team didnt get outskated or outworked for much of the game. Our goaltending and defense is fine, which is what usually lets us down. We need some others to step up and get us some more scoring, but that should come over more time together.

and oh yeah....hey Phil Housley, PLAY GALCHENYUK MORE THEN 9 MINUTES!! YIKES!

Dynamo81 12-28-2012 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xokkeu (Post 56867519)

Also I don't think Galchenyuk had a bad game when he was on the ice like a lot of American fans are saying. I thought he looked energized and tried to make plays. I really would like him moved back to center so that he can handle the puck more. He's a solid defensively player so I don't think he needs to be sheltered on the wing.

He looked active and good in the first two periods of course not stand out but this was a difficult match for a single player to try stand out in. Just somewhat disappeared in the third (Which other posters addressed why).

Agree on the lucky bounce with Nichushkin, basically both teams could have scored 5 goals against one another today.

Both teams did a good job staying out of the box although I feel the officials did ignore a few things from both teams (That tackle by the Russian player :laugh:) USA did not take any penalties in the second and third period which showed good discipline which is vital against the likes of Canada.

Den 12-28-2012 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kshahdoo (Post 56867797)
He should chose to play for Russia for this...

What's the story on this one by the way? Has he ever been offered?

I think him and possibly Barkov would have made the team. Yashkin - very doubtful.

Dynamo81 12-28-2012 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPGrizzly (Post 56867761)
I know its probably been discussed before but I've always wondered about Gibson's mask. It seems like it would restrict his vision when the puck is low in the slot or in the crease. Does it? It just looked like on the 2nd goal he lost sight of the puck after Nichushkin's rush and didn't know where it was until it was banged home in the slot. Then again it looked like none of the 4 US players crowded down there did either. So does anyone know if Gibson's mask poses any kind of issue? :help:

I doubt he would use it if he had trouble with it :laugh: He had a good game, really impressed with him. Made some big saves at 0-1 and at 1-2. This is a great USA team.

Jtown 12-28-2012 11:11 AM

Grimaldi is a frustrating player to watch. You can tell he is very talented and has obvious physical talents but he is always too patient with the puck and is trying to make the perfect play. He needs to just get the puck on net and let Miller and whoever else fight for it in the crease.

Peter25 12-28-2012 11:11 AM

Nichushkin is very Kuznetsov-like.

Dynamo81 12-28-2012 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Den (Post 56867897)
What's the story on this one by the way? Has he ever been offered?

I think him and possibly Barkov would have made the team. Yashkin - very doubtful.

He got rid of his Russian citizenship, said he considers himself American. Obviously he plays for where his heart is so no problem with that. Although I think he only lived four years in the USA and played for Dynamo Moscow in the youth set up, he really is an international citizen due to living in USA, Canada, Russia, Belarus, Germany, Italy :laugh:

Metalcommand 12-28-2012 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Den (Post 56867897)
What's the story on this one by the way? Has he ever been offered?

I think him and possibly Barkov would have made the team. Yashkin - very doubtful.

I thought he was Belarussian, not Russian?

ps241 12-28-2012 11:14 AM

very entertaining game that could have gone either way. Chin up US fans this thing is just getting going and your team looks as good as any team.

Roo Mad Bro 12-28-2012 11:14 AM

I thought Miller, Jones and Grimaldi had pretty poor games.

Miller has just been a turnover machine so far in the offensive zone. Tries to stickhandle way too much, when he frankly isn't that great at it.

Jones got burned on the goal, and made some questionable decisions again. He has to be better.

I appreciate Grimaldi's effort, but man, the guy is like Yakupov out there (in the sense that they both puckhog a lot). Holds on way too long.

Killahpunk 12-28-2012 11:15 AM

Only saw the 3rd but it seemed like a good game.

Dynamo81 12-28-2012 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metalcommand (Post 56867981)
I thought he was Belarussian, not Russian?

Father is Belarussian and mother is Russian, from what I understand he had Russian citizenship when he played junior hockey in Russia for 2 seasons I think.

Playmaker09 12-28-2012 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter25 (Post 56867933)
Nichushkin is very Kuznetsov-like.

He's an Erik Cole clone. People like to rag on him for having tunnel vision and repeating the same play over and over, but Cole scored 35 goals in the NHL last year by doing the exact same thing. You can't stop it.

Dynamo81 12-28-2012 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Playmaker09 (Post 56868073)
He's an Erik Cole clone. People like to rag on him for having tunnel vision and repeating the same play over and over, but Cole scored 35 goals in the NHL last year by doing the exact same thing. You can't stop it.

Nichushkin can make some very smart passes. Guess we will see but at the moment I do consider him to have the potential to become an elite player.

Bure 12-28-2012 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metalcommand (Post 56867981)
I thought he was Belarussian, not Russian?

Russian mother , Belarusian father. Born in US , grew up in Russia, moved to Us when 15. I think that's the story lol.

bizzz 12-28-2012 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metalcommand (Post 56867981)
I thought he was Belarussian, not Russian?

Exactly. His father played for Belarus at the Olympics and World Chmpionships (and he looks like his father), his sister represented Belarus at the figure skating WC, his grandparents still live in Belarus and he spends there 1.5-2 month every year. But some Russians for some reason akt like Gally betrayed them.

bizzz 12-28-2012 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bure (Post 56868137)
Russian mother , Belarusian father. Born in US , grew up in Russia, moved to Us when 15. I think that's the story lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dynamo81 (Post 56868109)
Nichushkin can make some very smart passes. Guess we will see but at the moment I do consider him to have the potential to become an elite player.

Geezzzzz.... His mother is also Belarusian. What else connects him to Russia?
Gally's father interview after the draft:
http://www.pressball.by/news/hockey/110081
Quote:

I'm Belarusian. My wife is Belarusian, our parents are Belarusians. Alex every year visiting Minsk.

c9gunner 12-28-2012 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter25 (Post 56867933)
Nichushkin is very Kuznetsov-like.

He is bigger than Kuznetsov. 6'4" & 196 lbs. And only 17 y.o.

Roo Mad Bro 12-28-2012 11:21 AM

I also thought Yakupov was garbage. He has never impressed me in the few times I have seen him play live.


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