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OzzyFan 12-29-2012 01:37 PM

Highest Potential: RNH vs Tavares vs Landeskog vs Hall
 
Rank them based "only" on "potential". RNH vs Tavares vs Landeskog vs Hall.

MessierII 12-29-2012 01:42 PM

It comes down to Tavares and Nugent and I'm going to homer vote for Nugent. The way he dominated as a just turned 18 year old weighing 170 pounds at most was just insane. You could make a similar case for Tavares also who is way more proven.

MastuhNinks 12-29-2012 01:44 PM

Tavares is the answer to this question unless one of Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos or Ovechkin is included, and rightfully so. In fact just purely on potential, I'd even be tempted to take Tavares over the latter two.

Jray42 12-29-2012 01:44 PM

Tavares with ease for me.


After that, I'd go RNH, then Landeskog, then Hall.

Prairie Habs 12-29-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jray42 (Post 56898275)
Tavares with ease for me.


After that, I'd go RNH, then Landeskog, then Hall.

Exactly this word for word.

MessierII 12-29-2012 01:48 PM

Nugent put up 2 less points in 20 less games in his rookie year.

startainfection 12-29-2012 01:48 PM

switch tavares out for seguin or duchene and you get alot more fair poll imo

capitalsrock 12-29-2012 01:51 PM

Tavares

Landeskog
RNH
Hall

HockeyThoughts 12-29-2012 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MessierII (Post 56898329)
Nugent put up 2 less points in 20 less games in his rookie year.

I went with Tavares, but RNH is definately a valid option. All 4 of them are really. 3 1st overalls and a 2nd overall.. Very high potential in all of them. I personally fell that Landeskog and Hall will be the PPG, captain, dynamic goal scoring types while Tavares and RNH will be big point producing superstar playmakers.

Tavares' vision is just too good to pass up though.. He's also been steadily improving and I see a big season for him post-lockout.

Sky04 12-29-2012 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MastuhNinks (Post 56898269)
Tavares is the answer to this question unless one of Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos or Ovechkin is included, and rightfully so. In fact just purely on potential, I'd even be tempted to take Tavares over the latter two.

Tavares has the potential to surpass 65goals112points? Heck no.


RNH for me, then Tavares but its about as close as you can get, then slight edge to Hall before Landeskog.

Takashi 12-29-2012 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MessierII (Post 56898329)
Nugent put up 2 less points in 20 less games in his rookie year.

rnh played with eberle and hall ...

Rpro 12-29-2012 01:53 PM

Tavares
RHN
Hall
Landeskog

Jray42 12-29-2012 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sky04 (Post 56898433)
Tavares has the potential to surpass 65goals112points? Heck no.


RNH for me, then Tavares but its about as close as you can get, then slight edge to Hall before Landeskog.

Tavares isn't the goal scorer that Ovechkin is/was.

I still think he has the potential to break 100 points, they need to put more talent around him.

Jray42 12-29-2012 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MessierII (Post 56898329)
Nugent put up 2 less points in 20 less games in his rookie year.

Put him on the Tavares' rookie year Islanders, and I dont think he gets that.

startainfection 12-29-2012 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MessierII (Post 56898329)
Nugent put up 2 less points in 20 less games in his rookie year.

and in jt's rookie season rookie scoring was way down it could also be argued that jt was injured during his entire cold streak during his rookie season and playing on pain killers, before jt was boarded by pronger and lost a few teeth he was top 5 in the league in scoring and then towards the end of the season he started putting up points at that same pace again

and ignore the fact that tavares's ppg has increased drastically every season while rnh's ppg isnt much better this season than it was last despite playing in a lesser league, tavares' off season work ethic, hockey IQ and training separate him

Sky04 12-29-2012 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jray42 (Post 56898483)
Tavares isn't the goal scorer that Ovechkin is/was.

I still think he has the potential to break 100 points, they need to put more talent around him.

Guys been in the league 3 years, broke 100 points 0 times. Ovechkin's potential is consistent 50goal+100p, and no less year after year, only 2 other players in the league have that kind of potential, Crosby and Malkin.

startainfection 12-29-2012 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sky04 (Post 56898433)
Tavares has the potential to surpass 65goals112points? Heck no.


RNH for me, then Tavares but its about as close as you can get, then slight edge to Hall before Landeskog.


i think tavares has 110+ point potential though

capitalsrock 12-29-2012 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MastuhNinks (Post 56898269)
Tavares is the answer to this question unless one of Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos or Ovechkin is included, and rightfully so. In fact just purely on potential, I'd even be tempted to take Tavares over the latter two.

Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, and Ovechkin are on a different level than Tavares and I seriously doubt you would take him over the others.

capitalsrock 12-29-2012 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sky04 (Post 56898541)
Guys been in the league 3 years, broke 100 points 0 times. Ovechkin's potential is consistent 50goal+100p, and no less year after year, only 2 other players in the league have that kind of potential, Crosby and Malkin.

Stamkos maybe.

Jray42 12-29-2012 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sky04 (Post 56898541)
Guys been in the league 3 years, broke 100 points 0 times. Ovechkin's potential is consistent 50goal+100p, and no less year after year, only 2 other players in the league have that kind of potential, Crosby and Malkin.

I never said he was Ovechkin good, since he's not. Ovechkin made a case for the best player in the league for a few years.

Also, Ovechkin HAS played with much better talent around him all these years. Not saying that's why he's been so good, because it's not (was always an ovy fan). But Tavares has had the pleasure of playing with the insane playmaking and scoring abilities of Michael Grabner, Matt Moulson, and Frans Nielsson all these years. He's pretty much carried Grabner and Moulson back to relevancy.

startainfection 12-29-2012 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sky04 (Post 56898541)
Guys been in the league 3 years, broke 100 points 0 times. Ovechkin's potential is consistent 50goal+100p, and no less year after year, only 2 other players in the league have that kind of potential, Crosby and Malkin.

and ovechkin hasnt done anything like that since tavares' rookie season

when all is said and done during the overlapping part of their careers jt outscores ovy by a wide margin

Hardyvan123 12-29-2012 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MessierII (Post 56898329)
Nugent put up 2 less points in 20 less games in his rookie year.

Linemates?

Also ES scoring for top forwards is a greater indicator of success.

What is Landeskog doing in this poll anyways as almost everyone counts scoring and not intangibles for forwards.

I think Tavares will be the better scorer and goal scorer of the 2 centers.

Hall might become the "best player", followed by any mix of the 3 depending on how strong RHN and his overall game gets.

Rpro 12-29-2012 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by startainfection (Post 56898497)
and ignore the fact that tavares's ppg has increased drastically every season while rnh's ppg isnt much better this season than it was last despite playing in a lesser league, tavares' off season work ethic, hockey IQ and training separate him

Tavares PPG
Season1 - .65
Season2 - .85

RNH PPG
Season1 - .84
Season2 - 1.05 (in the AHL yes, but hey you brought it up)

Looks to me like their PPG have improved at the same rate over their first two seasons.

Sky04 12-29-2012 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by startainfection (Post 56898497)
and in jt's rookie season rookie scoring was way down it could also be argued that jt was injured during his entire cold streak during his rookie season and playing on pain killers, before jt was boarded by pronger and lost a few teeth he was top 5 in the league in scoring and then towards the end of the season he started putting up points at that same pace again

and ignore the fact that tavares's ppg has increased drastically every season while rnh's ppg isnt much better this season than it was last despite playing in a lesser league, tavares' off season work ethic, hockey IQ and training separate him

Since when is a 1.05ppg not a big difference from .84?

Tavares was not top-5 in scoring when he slowed down his rookie season, he had a great start, was almost ppg and on 30 goal pace then hit a giant rookie wall.

And you do know that it is MUCH easier to "drastically" improve a 0.65ppg pace then it is to improve on a 0.84 right?

Freudian 12-29-2012 02:06 PM

Tavares by far, then RNH and then Landeskog/Hall.


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