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thestonedkoala 12-31-2012 01:01 AM

Find Success; when will these franchises start turning it around?
Remember when New Orleans, Cincinnati, Houston, and Arizona were the punching bag of the league? (Arizona still kind of is). So my question is this;

When will we see the rise of Buffalo, Cleveland (dear God just destroy this team now), Kansas City, Oakland, Detroit be competitive again? They seem like a mess not just on the field but organizational level as well. They need a lot to get going.

Gootie 12-31-2012 01:31 AM

As a closet Browns fan I really hope they nail it with the head coach they pick. They'd be primed to take a hold of the division in a few years. BAL and PIT have been aging for a few years now and I don't think Cincy will ever be anything more than a fringe wild card team.

Live in the Now 12-31-2012 02:12 AM

The Raiders have a GM now, that's a pretty good start. But the cap situation is horrendous, and our best player misses 8 games a year. So at a position we are supposed to be stable (RB), we're gonna have to start over there. That plus whatever happens with Palmer is going to take us all the way back to square one, right back where we were before the team was on the up and up for two years.

We are at least 4 years away due to the cap situation. Have to cut a lot of guys in order to fix it, but there will be consequences for a while that prevent us from shortly turning it around. This is the long term effect of restructuring contracts in order to get under the cap. You do it once because the consequences of cutting guys mean you actually can't get under the cap, you have to do it again and again, and eventually the bubble is going to pop. This year it's going to pop, because we absolutely have to cut and trade guys, not restructure anymore. Hopefully we will get some real cap room for 2014 by doing it.

The Raiders also have to get a 2nd rounder, however possible. Best way is probably by trading McFadden.

The Chargers/Chiefs are both starting over just like us, so it isn't that bad, but we need a good playcaller. Only for 2 years of the last 10 can I remember any playcaller making more of what we have on offense than less than what we have. And of course we aren't bringing back Hue Jackson nor should we, so someone else has to be found. We cannot go on with this Greg Knapp, Tom Cable, Lane Kiffin, Art Shell, Bill Callahan type mess any longer. I would rather have Norv back as an OC than do this again, at least in that station he can do his job well.

thestonedkoala 12-31-2012 02:46 AM

I just don't see a 2nd rounder being traded for McFadden.

856 12-31-2012 05:15 AM

Usually teams start turning it around when they have found a QB. 3 of hem you listed dont have one. So until they do I dont see it.

awfulwaffle 12-31-2012 10:39 AM

Arizona still is a punching bag of the league. They won a very weak NFC West, and rode the coat tails of Kurt Warner to the Super Bowl, and have been irrelevant since. They lost 9 straight games this year.

Martini* 12-31-2012 10:57 AM

The Lions will never be good.

They do more for comedic humor thru out the years that actually being anything of merit.

Barry Sanders didnt deserve his fate playing there.

KH1 12-31-2012 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by Justified (Post 56951679)
Usually teams start turning it around when they have found a QB. 3 of hem you listed dont have one. So until they do I dont see it.

Yup, this is the only answer.

Just look at the past 5 super bowls:

Giants vs. Patriots -- Manning vs. Brady
Packers vs. Steelers -- Rodgers vs. Roethlisberger
Saints vs. Colts -- Brees vs. Manning
Steelers vs. Cardinals -- Roethlisberger vs. Warner
Colts vs. Bears -- Manning vs. Grossman (one of these things is not like the others :sarcasm: )

With very rare exceptions, everything starts under center in the NFL.

Kronwalled55 12-31-2012 11:21 AM

Lions are getting real close (How many times have we said that? :laugh:)

Stafford was pedestrian and the pass rush wasn't nearly as good as last season.

The secondary is awful, but looking at who they dressed for most games this season at CB, maybe they weren't AS bad as we think. Just find some "known" names who KNOW how to play.

LeShoure is solid. Very impressed for the most part for the amount of carries he gets.

Burleson is monumental to the offense. Heart and soul guy, leader, and a great #2 receiver. Missed most of the season

Schwartz is a decent coach. I would like to see him stay, but he needs to discipline the boneheads who commit penalty after penalty.

Calvin Johnson is a machine

That is all.

TheMoreYouKnow 12-31-2012 12:09 PM

Lions aren't really all that close. People can tell themselves this crap and as long as people buy it, I guess the org will get away with being one of the worst in all of pro sports.

The Lions have a QB, Stafford isn't a rookie anymore, at this point he's near peak ability. He isn't Peyton Manning and won't ever be that, but he's good enough to lead a team a few rounds into the playoffs. But the Lions are out to prove the idea wrong that that's all you need, that it's easy to build from there.

Schwartz's defensive concept is based on the notion that a dominant line is the key. That might be true but the Lions line doesn't produce near enough pressure to cover up the fact that the team is terrible in pass coverage *and* it's not even reliably good at stopping the run either.

On offense there's no running game and a passing offense that fails in key situations because it is entirely predictable (which is of course related to there being no running game). The Lions have had a series of backs who have "looked okay" at times but these are the sort of okay backs who will thrive behind very good run blocking but will be far too inconsistent otherwise and you can guess where the Lions fall in this spectrum.

Both issues, lack of consistent running game and terrible coverage on the back end have been known for several years. Everyone knows it. Management has done some things to address it, but they did a bad job both in draft pick/free agency prioritization AND the actual players that were picked and signed.

The discipline/sloppy play issues are all on Schwartz though and he couldn't complain if he got fired *just* for that.

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