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Carlzner 12-31-2012 01:58 PM

Rookie of the Year
 
Who do you think it goes to?

Fixed to Ruin 12-31-2012 02:05 PM

I can't decide. It's too difficult.

sniugneP 12-31-2012 02:05 PM

Great year for rookies. I'm picking Russell Wilson. No one really expected him to be starter right away and leads Seattle to surprising 11-5 season.

We knew RG3 and Luck would do well in NFL.

Novacane 12-31-2012 02:09 PM

I'm going with RGIII.

AdmiralsFan24 12-31-2012 02:10 PM

1. RGIII
2. Wilson
3. Morris

Bruv 12-31-2012 02:13 PM

1) RG3
2) Wilson
3) Morris

Luck shouldn't even be in the discussion, IMO.

Tony Romo 12-31-2012 02:13 PM

am I the only one who doesnt get the RG3 hype...? his team didn't rely on him as much as colts relied on luck... hell I don't it's that much of a reach to say the redskins relied more on Alfred Morris

Avs_19 12-31-2012 02:24 PM

Crap. Meant to vote for RG3 but accidentally voted Luck.

CTHabsfan 12-31-2012 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikolai Schenn (Post 56968293)
am I the only one who doesnt get the RG3 hype...? his team didn't rely on him as much as colts relied on luck... hell I don't it's that much of a reach to say the redskins relied more on Alfred Morris

I think that you are the only one who doesn't get the "hype". Did you watch the Redskins play this season? No offense to Morris (excellent season), but he was a lot more effective with a healthy (or semi-healthy) Griffin under center.

Tony Romo 12-31-2012 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CTHabsfan (Post 56968723)
I think that you are the only one who doesn't get the "hype". Did you watch the Redskins play this season? No offense to Morris (excellent season), but he was a lot more effective with a healthy (or semi-healthy) Griffin under center.

No like, I know RG3 is good, and will be great one day but like I've seen people saying he deserves MVP... I just feel like alfred morris this year was more valuable then he was.

Big Poppa Puck 12-31-2012 02:46 PM

Blair Walsh. ;)

CTHabsfan 12-31-2012 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikolai Schenn (Post 56968913)
No like, I know RG3 is good, and will be great one day but like I've seen people saying he deserves MVP... I just feel like alfred morris this year was more valuable then he was.

No offense to Alfred, but as a Redskins fan with the Sunday Ticket, I can assure you that Griffin did more to help Morris than vice versa.

Emerica 12-31-2012 03:07 PM

Rgiii.

timekeep 12-31-2012 03:10 PM

Toss up between RG3 and Russell Wilson. Voted for Wilson but

No Fun Shogun 12-31-2012 03:21 PM

Who's been the best rookie? RGIII.

Who's been the biggest surprise as a rookie? Wilson.

Who's been most valuable to his team? Luck.

RotY doesn't have the same requirements as MVP, but I think that the fact that the Colts would inarguably be out of the playoffs without him while the same could not be said of the Skins or the Seahawks tips in his favor in my books. At the very least, without Luck the Colts would probably have another top five pick while without Griffin or Wilson, the Skins and the Seahawks would be drafting well above the top five.

That's at least my perspective, but I think any of the three have an amazing case for deserving it. And I fully expect RGIII to win it, though I wouldn't vote for him myself.

Hot Carlson 12-31-2012 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by No Fun Shogun (Post 56970091)
Who's been the best rookie? RGIII.

Who's been the biggest surprise as a rookie? Wilson.

Who's been most valuable to his team? Luck.

RotY doesn't have the same requirements as MVP, but I think that the fact that the Colts would inarguably be out of the playoffs without him while the same could not be said of the Skins or the Seahawks tips in his favor in my books. At the very least, without Luck the Colts would probably have another top five pick while without Griffin or Wilson, the Skins and the Seahawks would be drafting well above the top five.

That's at least my perspective, but I think any of the three have an amazing case for deserving it. And I fully expect RGIII to win it, though I wouldn't vote for him myself.

You make good points, but as a Redskins fan, there is no way this team makes the playoffs without RG3. He won a few games almost completely on his own this season (Minnesota, the first Philly game, New Orleans) that Grossman, Cousins, or a random free-agent signee like Matt Flynn wouldn't have. I think Griffin being in the same backfield as another ROY candidate might cost him some votes, though.

I don't want to take anything away from Wilson, but his team's defense gave him a bit more margin for error. He needed it early in the season, but once he found his game he hasn't needed to rely on the D as much. Washington, on the other hand, has had to out-score everyone since the beginning of the season. I think Wilson's strong second-half play will have as much of an impact on voters than Griffin's season-long production. And who knows, maybe it should. He's been playing his best when his team needed it the most. And who doesn't root for an underdog story? Griffin was expected to be this kind of player. Wilson just came out of nowhere.

I'm glad I don't have to make the decision. It should be either Griffin or Wilson. I like Andrew Luck but 20+ turnovers just doesn't cut it.

Fish on The Sand 12-31-2012 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No Fun Shogun (Post 56970091)
Who's been the best rookie? RGIII.

Who's been the biggest surprise as a rookie? Wilson.

Who's been most valuable to his team? Luck.

RotY doesn't have the same requirements as MVP, but I think that the fact that the Colts would inarguably be out of the playoffs without him while the same could not be said of the Skins or the Seahawks tips in his favor in my books. At the very least, without Luck the Colts would probably have another top five pick while without Griffin or Wilson, the Skins and the Seahawks would be drafting well above the top five.

That's at least my perspective, but I think any of the three have an amazing case for deserving it. And I fully expect RGIII to win it, though I wouldn't vote for him myself.

Skins easily miss the playoffs without RG3.

No Fun Shogun 12-31-2012 03:39 PM

Maybe, but the point still stands that the Skins almost assuredly would've ended up much higher in the standings than Colts in a universe where RGIII and Luck didn't exist. Not to mention that Luck effectively was playing for a team that got completely dismantled and rebooted.

The Colts leaned a lot more on Luck and asked him to do a lot more than RGIII and Wilson, who both had better teams around them in almost every single category.

Hot Carlson 12-31-2012 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No Fun Shogun (Post 56970629)
Maybe, but the point still stands that the Skins almost assuredly would've ended up much higher in the standings than Colts in a universe where RGIII and Luck didn't exist. Not to mention that Luck effectively was playing for a team that got completely dismantled and rebooted.

The Colts leaned a lot more on Luck and asked him to do a lot more than RGIII and Wilson, who both had better teams around them in almost every single category.

That's a fair argument. It just depends on how you view the criteria for ROY.

I don't think it should be analogous with rookie MVP. I view it simply as the guy who was the most impressive. That's just my opinion, though. The body of work by Griffin and Wilson against decidedly tougher schedules than the Colts played makes them the front-runners IMO.

No Fun Shogun 12-31-2012 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hot Carlson (Post 56970825)
That's a fair argument. It just depends on how you view the criteria for ROY.

I don't think it should be analogous with rookie MVP. I view it simply as the guy who was the most impressive. That's just my opinion, though. The body of work by Griffin and Wilson against decidedly tougher schedules than the Colts played makes them the front-runners IMO.

Ordinarily, I'd agree.... but this is a very rare year where you have massively relevant arguments for multiple guys. RGIII has been playing out of his mind and has had amazing stats, Luck has been a machine with nothing surrounding him and essentially carrying the entire offense through the good and the bad, and Wilson's been the surprise and draft steal of the year and been essentially as good as anyone.

You can't go wrong with whoever you pick. Same goes for MVP overall, between Manning and Peterson.

Getz2perry 12-31-2012 03:49 PM

With wilson and griffin teams had to watch out for the run(both have great running backs and the ability to run), the seahawks/redskins didnt have to rely on the pass really at all, and when they were passing they would have defenses that were more focused on containing the run, so got a lot easier coverage to pass into. Not taking anything away from either of them, but to me luck is the obvious choice.

Luck passed a lot more, in a lot harder situations, and didnt have nearly as many weapons as the other 2 guys, i like ballard but hes not on level with morris/lynch. Also take in to consideration he had 7 game winning drives in the 4th quater, he was literally getting the ball in the most pressured situations and taking his team down the field and winning the game. From 1st pick in draft to a possible contender in the AFC. I think its pretty easy choice.

Clowe Me 12-31-2012 03:51 PM

I really like Russell Wilson, but he has more tools on offense than does RGIII. Wilson gets to hand off to Beast mode and throw the ball to a more talented receiving and te core. Also, Seattle's defense is one of the best in the NFL and much better than Washington's, which is why, IMO, RGIII is more valuable.

Bruv 12-31-2012 03:52 PM

The Colts beat only 3 teams who finished over .500 this year. I'm sorry but is that really that impressive?

Clowe Me 12-31-2012 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cudi (Post 56971099)
The Colts beat only 3 teams who finished over .500 this year. I'm sorry but is that really that impressive?

They were 2-14 last year and finished 11-5 this year. Regardless of their schedule that is an impressive record and amazing turnaround.

Fish on The Sand 12-31-2012 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Clowe Me (Post 56971149)
They were 2-14 last year and finished 11-5 this year. Regardless of their schedule that is an impressive record and amazing turnaround.

A great team accomplishment. Luck's qb rating is on par with guys like Sanchez. He's an interception machine with a low completion percentage.


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