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kmad 12-31-2012 11:20 PM

Best F-D-G combination ever?
 
From these options. When they played together.

Wingsfan2965* 12-31-2012 11:23 PM

Tell me that Fedorov/Lidstrom/Hasek is a part of this...

You will not score... Like, ever.

kmad 12-31-2012 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Wingsfan2965 (Post 56978287)
Tell me that Fedorov/Lidstrom/Hasek is a part of this...

You will not score... Like, ever.

Close. Went for Yzerman over Fedorov.

pdd 12-31-2012 11:37 PM

Is this supposed to be picking the players as they were peak/prime or when they played together?

kmad 12-31-2012 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by eva unit zero (Post 56978511)
Is this supposed to be picking the players as they were peak/prime or when they played together?

When they played together, sorry for not specifying.

Had some trouble deciding if prime Rob Blake was better than twilight Ray Bourque. Ultimately went with Bourque.

pdd 12-31-2012 11:57 PM

A couple that could be argued as belonging on the list, even if they aren't realistic challengers for #1:

New Jersey:
Elias (or other forward)-Stevens/Niedermayer-Brodeur

Philly:
Lindros-Coffey-Hextall
Kerr-Howe-Hextall/Froese/Lindbergh/Peeters
Clarke-Watson/Van Impe-Parent

NY Islanders:
Trottier/Bossy-Potvin-Smith/Melanson

Boston:
Oates-Bourque-Moog

St. Louis:
Hull-Pronger/MacInnis-Fuhr

Chicago:
Roenick-Chelios-Belfour/Hasek

Buffalo:
Satan/Peca-Zhitnik-Hasek

Evincar 01-01-2013 12:10 AM

Beliveau-Harvey-Plante quite easily for me.

VanIslander 01-01-2013 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Litework (Post 56978903)
Beliveau-Harvey-Plante quite easily for me.

Me too. Arguably Top-3 all-time at each position.

pdd 01-01-2013 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jagorim Jarg (Post 56978665)
When they played together, sorry for not specifying.

Had some trouble deciding if prime Rob Blake was better than twilight Ray Bourque. Ultimately went with Bourque.

In that case it's easily Howe/Kelly/Sawchuk. Beliveau/Harvey/Plante is the only group really close:

Howe>>Beliveau
Kelly<Harvey
Sawchuk=Plante

Every other group has some kind of weakness; Oilers Fuhr, Pens Barrasso, and Wings Hasek were all well below the level of Plante or Sawchuk. Furthermore, Oilers and Pens Coffey is well behind Wings Kelly, or Habs Harvey. And Yzerman played two partial seasons with Hasek on the team, and one full season at the age of 38. 2001-02 Yzerman, exclusively, might be a good fit, as he scored 48 in 52 RS and then 23 in 23 PO. But that's still not on the level of Howe or Beliveau. And Gretzky and Lemieux weren't "better enough" than Beliveau or Howe to make up the difference.

Outside of those groups - 02 Wings, 50s Wings, 80s Oilers, 90s Pens, 60s Habs, it goes down like this.

70 Bruins: Cheevers is a huge weak link; the other top groups are much better in net. Orr is a nice piece to have, but let's compare to the Oilers. Orr and Gretzky, we'll say they cancel. Which leaves Fuhr>Cheevers. How does Coffey compare to Esposito? Both were arguably the #2 player in the world for a period of about 5 years. The big difference is, Coffey had to compete with a prime Bourque, while Esposito did NOT have to compete with a prime Bobby Hull - arguably the best forward in the world at the time.

01 Avs: Roy was a great goalie, but at his best he's not Plante at his best and certainly not at the end of his career. Bourque was at the end of his career, and was still very good, but no longer "Ray Bourque". Sakic had a great year, but he's still not Beliveau or Howe. And his peak year doesn't outweigh all of the weaknesses in the other two.

Wingsfan2965* 01-01-2013 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jagorim Jarg (Post 56978345)
Close. Went for Yzerman over Fedorov.

Yeah, I called Fedorov due to his defensive skills. Seriously, the other team might as well forfeit when that's the case.

ottawa 01-01-2013 03:17 AM

Jean Beliveau-Doug Harvey-Jacques Plante and quite easily for me. Some of the other lines are great too but to me the habs one stands out the most.

Hammer Time 01-01-2013 03:55 AM

Howe-Kelly-Sawchuk. The only group where a "Big Four" player is matched with a generational talent in goal.

The late 50s Habs would probably be #2.

ricky0034 01-01-2013 04:06 AM

this pretty much comes down to whether you think there's more of a difference between Howe and Beliveau or Harvey and Kelly

I went with the Howe group but it's close

Moore Money 01-01-2013 04:14 AM

Guy Lafleur-Larry Robinson-Ken Dryden

Gritzky98 01-01-2013 04:45 AM

The one with Gretzky

Dr John Carlson 01-01-2013 10:15 AM

Really tough choice between 50's Detroit, 2000's Detroit and Montreal.

Howe>>Beliveau>Yzerman
Harvey>Lidstrom>>>Kelly
Sawchuk=Plante>Hasek

I took Montreal.

MessierII 01-01-2013 10:31 AM

The 300+ point combo with the Vezna winner behind them.

King Woodballs 01-01-2013 11:08 AM

Gretz Coffey Fuhr

Ivan13 01-01-2013 11:19 AM

Beliveau, Harvey and Plante is the correct answer.

EDIT:

Dear God I can't believe that the Detroit combo from the 90's is leading the way. They aren't even the best Detroit has to offer.

MastuhNinks 01-01-2013 11:39 AM

Gordie Howe-Red Kelly-Terry Sawchuk

pdd 01-01-2013 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivan13 (Post 56983071)
Beliveau, Harvey and Plante is the correct answer.

EDIT:

Dear God I can't believe that the Detroit combo from the 90's is leading the way. They aren't even the best Detroit has to offer.

It's because people are voting based on "peak/prime" because it wasn't specified.

And in a poll of peak/prime, that group should win; it has three of the ten best players ever.

Ceremony 01-01-2013 02:33 PM

Homer voted and went for Sakic/Bourque/Roy. When they played together there was a Hart, a Conn Smythe and a Cup to go with the best goalie ever, a top 3 D all time and Sakic. Could easily give it to the Habs trio that's winning or the Yzerman Wings combo.

jw2 01-01-2013 02:51 PM

Voting for Wayne. With him, Coffey had a 3 100+ seasons. Fuhr had 3 seasons where he didn't lose more than 10 games.

MessierII 01-01-2013 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jw2 (Post 56986331)
Voting for Wayne. With him, Coffey had a 3 100+ seasons. Fuhr had 3 seasons where he didn't lose more than 10 games.

I don't get how they aren't dominating. I guess most posters remember the 90's better.

Machinehead 01-01-2013 03:01 PM

I'm gonna go with Lafleur-Robinson-Dryden

I would argue it's the most balanced of the group with a super-elite talent at all 3 positions, it had all 3 of them in their prime and together for a long time, and most importantly, all 3 of them were the best at their respective positions (F, D, G) on the 1976-77 Habs, which for my money is the greatest team in NHL history.


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