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Pekka Rinne 01-01-2013 11:53 PM

How many points would have RNH put up in the WHL?
 
Simple question, if RNH had not gone to the AHL, how many points would he have put up for Red Deer, assuming he would have played an entire 72 game schedule? (just for this excercise, assume he didnt want to play at the WJCs)

Sky04 01-01-2013 11:54 PM

the same pace he's putting up in the Wjr's ;)

Benny FTW 01-02-2013 01:08 AM

125ish. He needs good players around him.

MessierII 01-02-2013 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benny FTW (Post 57002805)
125ish. He needs good players around him.

Didn't have too many of those in red deer. I think he'd have around 150.

lakai17 01-02-2013 01:19 AM

he would expose the good from bad goalies in a hurry.

CRSeven 01-02-2013 03:44 AM

150+

Pekka Rinne 01-02-2013 04:08 AM

Has there ever even been a 150+ point player in the dub? I went all the way back to 96-97 and the most I found was 134 points.

skip2mybordeleau 01-02-2013 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pekka Rinne (Post 57004849)
Has there ever even been a 150+ point player in the dub? I went all the way back to 96-97 and the most I found was 134 points.

yes, many back in the day , one that might surprise you

ray ferraro had 108 goals and 84 assists for 192 points in 1983-84

Nordic* 01-02-2013 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Connolly2Duchene (Post 57006171)
yes, many back in the day , one that might surprise you

ray ferraro had 108 goals and 84 assists for 192 points in 1983-84

Defence was utter crap back then.

Golaies....well, they didn't even deserve to be called goaltenders.

skip2mybordeleau 01-02-2013 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Nordic (Post 57006353)
Defence was utter crap back then.

Golaies....well, they didn't even deserve to be called goaltenders.

it was in the nhl too, do we discredit wayne gretzky's accomplishments?

Vikke 01-02-2013 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pekka Rinne (Post 57004849)
Has there ever even been a 150+ point player in the dub? I went all the way back to 96-97 and the most I found was 134 points.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/league...season=alltime

Sky04 01-02-2013 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pekka Rinne (Post 57004849)
Has there ever even been a 150+ point player in the dub? I went all the way back to 96-97 and the most I found was 134 points.

Taylor Hall did ;)

bottomofthefoodchain 01-02-2013 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Connolly2Duchene (Post 57006477)
it was in the nhl too, do we discredit wayne gretzky's accomplishments?

Nordic does :naughty:

Wheatking 01-02-2013 12:21 PM

Had that happened, I wouldn't have been surprised to see a trade worked out so RNH could have played for the Oil Kings. He would have had a lot of talent around him.

Machinehead 01-02-2013 12:38 PM

http://l.wigflip.com/SL7uNiDG/roflbot.jpg

Someone had to post it :sarcasm:

Voted 150+

Ogie Goldthorpe 01-02-2013 12:46 PM

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/eleventy.jpg

Voted 125-150 provided he played out the year with Red Deer.

bsmith14 01-02-2013 12:55 PM

Red Deer is a pretty average team but there is no reason to think he wouldnt put up 2.0 PPG or more. Hell he is averaging a PPG in the AHL and was almost a PPG in the NHL. Just look at his points in the WJ's.

For comparisons sake, TY Rattie scored 121 points last year.

gifted88 01-02-2013 01:25 PM

125 seems reasonable :dunno:

SensPromo 01-02-2013 02:38 PM

Was thinking more 140 area (with possibility of more), but saying 125-150 seemed to cheapen it to me, so said 150+

MessierII 01-02-2013 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SensPromo (Post 57020381)
Was thinking more 140 area (with possibility of more), but saying 125-150 seemed to cheapen it to me, so said 150+

My train of thought exactly a 140-160 option would have been ideal for me.

ponder 01-02-2013 03:01 PM

I highly doubt he'd put up 150+ on Red Deer this year, people massively underrate the importance of team mates and team styles to scoring numbers, especially in junior hockey. Red Deer are a low scoring team with a defence first mentaltiy, RNH would certainly change that a bit, but I doubt it would be enough for RNH to put up literally the highest scoring WHL season in literally 20 years. Red Deer's current scoring leader (Elson) has put up just 26 points so far this year, to put that into context he's roughly 80th in the league in points, and there are 7 different WHLers with over twice as many points (7 players have put up 53-66 points). RNH isn't a guy who takes over all by himself, he's more of an elite thinker/playmaker, on the current Red Deer team I'm not even sure he leads the WHL in scoring.

Every year we see relatively no-name players put up amazing numbers on stacked, run and gun offensive teams, while terrific prospects put up much more modest numbers on less stacked, defence first teams. Not sure why people are looking at this in a vacuum, CHL numbers need to be looked at with MASSIVE context in mind, and I think it's pretty clear that RNH would be in a poor position to put up monster numbers. CHL numbers also do not just increase linearly even if the player is improving. Tavares put up 72 goals and 134 points as a 16 year old, then played two more seasons where he improved a lot, but he didn't come particularly close to those numbers again.

Voted 100-125, though my actual guess would be somewhere around 120-130 assuming he played a standard long junior season (say 68 games or so). He would be the best player in the league by far, though.

Luuuongo 01-02-2013 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsmith14 (Post 57016829)
Red Deer is a pretty average team but there is no reason to think he wouldnt put up 2.0 PPG or more. Hell he is averaging a PPG in the AHL and was almost a PPG in the NHL. Just look at his points in the WJ's.

For comparisons sake, TY Rattie scored 121 points last year.

Portland's stacked, though.

Machinehead 01-02-2013 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ogie Goldthorpe (Post 57016509)
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...o/eleventy.jpg

Voted 125-150 provided he played out the year with Red Deer.

That's a good one too :nod:

MeowLeafs 01-02-2013 04:24 PM

I'd say 125-140, although the gap between him and the 2nd highest scorer wouldn't be as big as you'd think if you're also affording every other player playing 72 games.

skip2mybordeleau 01-03-2013 07:50 AM

i would say 125-150, hes a pass first guy, not that he cant shoot, but he would be hard pressed to rack up the assists with some of the guys in red deer. put him on a team like portland and yeah he should crush 150


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