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DeflatedFootball7 01-03-2013 05:28 PM

John Gibson
 
Curious what his value would be after the way he's been playing. The Ducks are loaded with talented goalie prospects so that's something to consider.

Gliff 01-03-2013 05:33 PM

Nothing. Not saying he is untouchable but he is the perfect replacement for Hiller after his next contract.

Noone would overpay for an unproven prospect enough to make it worth it.

heusy_79 01-03-2013 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DeflatedFootball7 (Post 57077491)
Curious what his value would be after the way he's been playing. The Ducks are loaded with talented goalie prospects so that's something to consider.

No they're not. Gibson is the top G prospect and after that, there's no top notch blue chippers there at all. Gibson's ascent to the bigs should be in perfect time to replace Hiller, and it would take a big overpay to pry him away from the Ducks. I bet BM would only move him in a deal for an elite player.

CanuckistanFlyerfan 01-03-2013 05:37 PM

Gibson was great. Before annointing him anything, I recall Jack Campbell being great in a WJHC. Where's he now? I could name several Canadian goalies I could say the same about over the years. He looks like a good prospect. But he hasn't proven a thing professionally.

sabresfan129103 01-03-2013 05:39 PM

There is no way in hell Anaheim trades this guy. He's a future allstar.

DeflatedFootball7 01-03-2013 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by heusy_79 (Post 57077689)
No they're not. Gibson is the top G prospect and after that, there's no top notch blue chippers there at all. Gibson's ascent to the bigs should be in perfect time to replace Hiller, and it would take a big overpay to pry him away from the Ducks. I bet BM would only move him in a deal for an elite player.

Frederik Andersen (born 2 October 1989) is a Danish ice hockey goaltender, who currently plays for Norfolk Admirals. :shakehead

Gliff 01-03-2013 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CanuckistanFlyerfan (Post 57077741)
Gibson was great. Before annointing him anything, I recall Jack Campbell being great in a WJHC. Where's he now? I could name several Canadian goalies I could say the same about over the years. He looks like a good prospect. But he hasn't proven a thing professionally.

Except that his performance in the WJC is basically how he has always played in the OHL also. This is him, not him playing fantastic.

Vipers31 01-03-2013 06:05 PM

Well, this took a bit longer than I expected. :)


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Originally Posted by CanuckistanFlyerfan (Post 57077741)
Gibson was great. Before annointing him anything, I recall Jack Campbell being great in a WJHC. Where's he now? I could name several Canadian goalies I could say the same about over the years. He looks like a good prospect. But he hasn't proven a thing professionally.

He doesn't need to be "annointed" anything. Not having proven a thing professionally is inherently true for any prospect at that level - it doesn't change anything about the subjective value to a hockey club. And when looking at Gibson's play, I feel more confident in his style than in Campbell's, in terms of how good of a basis he has to move his game to the next level. There's no guarantees, obviously. But there's no question whatsoever that he's a premier goaltending prospect, and those hold very real value around the league.

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Originally Posted by DeflatedFootball7 (Post 57078237)
Frederik Andersen (born 2 October 1989) is a Danish ice hockey goaltender, who currently plays for Norfolk Admirals. :shakehead

That doesn't really contradict what he says, since Andersen can't really be considered a "top notch blue chip goaltending prospect". He's an intruiging project, but he certainly has significant holes in his game that he'll have to work on to make it to the NHL. His numbers in the AHL indicate that even with the struggles he did face, there's some upside, but there shouldn't be any doubts about him being a long-shot, and not coming close to the value of Gibson.


Ultimately, the Ducks most likely won't trade him. They have been looking to achieve some sort of depth in the goalie pipeline for quite a while, and Gibson is the safest bet (he's not a sure bet, obviously, he's just the safest in comparision) to take over from Hiller when he's ready. It's a very comfortable situation for the Ducks, and since we don't really lack prospect depth in any area far more than in net, it's very hard to imagine a deal the Ducks would be tempted with.

Organisations tend to not give away prospects that they have every reason to be excited with.

Sevanston 01-03-2013 06:09 PM

If he gets the #1 spot in Anaheim in a few years, how about kicking Hiller our way?

Vipers31 01-03-2013 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sevanston (Post 57078757)
If he gets the #1 spot in Anaheim in a few years, how about kicking Hiller our way?

Since it is indeed still very much a question of "if", rather than "when" (which unfortunately you edited out, but I still wanted to make that statement... :) ), that's a question that can't really be sensibly answered today. ;)

heusy_79 01-03-2013 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DeflatedFootball7 (Post 57078237)
Frederik Andersen (born 2 October 1989) is a Danish ice hockey goaltender, who currently plays for Norfolk Admirals. :shakehead

I didn't say Gibson is their only goalie prospect. I said Gibson is their only blue chipper, as Vipors already mentioned. Anderson, Fasth and even Bobkov are all big, intriguing prospects but not nearly on the same level as Gibson.

DisneyDucky 01-03-2013 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by heusy_79 (Post 57079141)
I didn't say Gibson is their only goalie prospect. I said Gibson is their only blue chipper, as Vipors already mentioned. Anderson, Fasth and even Bobkov are all big, intriguing prospects but not nearly on the same level as Gibson.

Fasth gotta be pushing the age-limit to be called a prospect ;)

PensBandwagonerNo272 01-03-2013 06:32 PM

Gibson is one of the few goalie prospects right now that seem like sure-fire number ones in the next 2-3 years.

Vipers31 01-03-2013 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DisneyDucky (Post 57079209)
Fasth gotta be pushing the age-limit to be called a prospect ;)

For my own sake, being just a few years younger than Fasth, I would love to be able to disagree, but yeah - at 30 years of age, Fasth certainly still is intruiging with the path he took, but he certainly can't be considered a prospect. :)

Suffers from the same issue as Hiller, actually, who many slightly more casual fans would never expect to be 30 years old, either. Perception always gets a little distorted when guys make it to the stage a little late.

DeflatedFootball7 01-03-2013 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by heusy_79 (Post 57079141)
I didn't say Gibson is their only goalie prospect. I said Gibson is their only blue chipper, as Vipors already mentioned. Anderson, Fasth and even Bobkov are all big, intriguing prospects but not nearly on the same level as Gibson.

Fair enough. Sorry if I came off as rude.

Aceonfire 01-03-2013 07:33 PM

Hey guys! Have you heard about this Steve Mason kid? He was unbelievable at the world juniors. He is clearly a blue chip prospect and is worth 8 1st overalls.

Fast forward a few years...

Goalies are so unpredictable. Draft pedigree and how they play in junior means nothing towards their NHL careers. Guys like Price were an exception. I would rather trade for someone like Holtby who stepped up cold against a very good team and played with everything he had.

Shawnathon 01-03-2013 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PensBandwagonerNo272 (Post 57079585)
Gibson is one of the few goalie prospects right now that seem like sure-fire number ones in the next 2-3 years.

Gibson is far from a sure-fire number one in the NHL.

Sojourn 01-03-2013 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceonfire (Post 57081733)
Hey guys! Have you heard about this Steve Mason kid? He was unbelievable at the world juniors. He is clearly a blue chip prospect and is worth 8 1st overalls.

Fast forward a few years...

Goalies are so unpredictable. Draft pedigree and how they play in junior means nothing towards their NHL careers. Guys like Price were an exception. I would rather trade for someone like Holtby who stepped up cold against a very good team and played with everything he had.

Please. If he was your prospect you'd be salivating over him.

Aceonfire 01-03-2013 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sojourn (Post 57082683)
Please. If he was your prospect you'd be salivating over him.

In total honesty, I would much rather have a guy like Holtby. Gibson's greatest strength was his spread. It forced the Canadians to aim higher but they were being so sloppy about it so they kept hitting the glass.

He will still most likely turn into a great goaltender. But at this age it is so hard to tell. For whatever reason, goaltenders can go from boom to bust in just a few years.

Sojourn 01-03-2013 08:20 PM

That's fine. Anaheim will happily hold on to their blue chip prospect, and let him develop. With Hiller between the pipes, we don't need to rush him. Gibson is one of the best G prospects in the world, and more than anything, I think he's defined by his consistency and mental strength. He has the potential to be a star goalie. Maybe he doesn't become one, but naming one flop doesn't cast his future into doubt.

ChiGuySez 01-03-2013 09:40 PM

What do you want??? McNeill, Olsen, Beach, + goalie prospect your choice.

DisneyDucky 01-03-2013 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiGuySez (Post 57085179)
What do you want??? McNeill, Olsen, Beach, + goalie prospect your choice.

Toews ;)

Mystlyfe 01-03-2013 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CanuckistanFlyerfan (Post 57077741)
Gibson was great. Before annointing him anything, I recall Jack Campbell being great in a WJHC. Where's he now?

The AHL.

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Originally Posted by Iceonfire (Post 57083017)
In total honesty, I would much rather have a guy like Holtby.

You'd rather have the top goalie prospect in the world than Gibson? Going real far out on the limb there. :laugh:

DuckJet 01-03-2013 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DeflatedFootball7 (Post 57077491)
Curious what his value would be after the way he's been playing. The Ducks are loaded with talented goalie prospects so that's something to consider.

Gibson
Andersen
Bobkov
Call if premature, but Gibby is the best of the bunch. Bobkov will be lucky to make it to the NHL.

KEEROLE Vatanen 01-04-2013 12:04 AM

Goalie prospects don't have that much value, no way anaheim trades him because his value would probably be a 2nd rounder or something, but he has franchise type goalie upside


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