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Jaymond Flurrie 01-04-2013 11:36 AM

Rarity: D-man scores, two d-men gets assists
 
I can't name an example just like this, but how rare it is that a defenseman scores a goal that is assisted by two other defensemen? I could see this happening for example during penalty kill or without a goalie (have three very talented offensive d-men, using one of them as the extra attacker).

When was the last time this occurred in NHL?

Ace36758 01-04-2013 11:54 AM

Could also be a situation in which a D man passes to his partner, goes off for a change, partner carries it up ice, then passes to the fresh d man who scores.

Probably about as rare as a 3 on 5 shorthanded goal-pure speculation though.

Jaymond Flurrie 01-04-2013 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace36758 (Post 57097907)
Could also be a situation in which a D man passes to his partner, goes off for a change, partner carries it up ice, then passes to the fresh d man who scores.

Probably about as rare as a 3 on 5 shorthanded goal-pure speculation though.

I think this your example is more likely one than mine.

gifted88 01-04-2013 12:20 PM

Does a Dman who occationally lines up on the wing count? I think Belak once scored with assists going to Kaberle and McCabe...but he was playing the wing that game.

Jaymond Flurrie 01-04-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gifted88 (Post 57098639)
Does a Dman who occationally lines up on the wing count? I think Belak once scored with assists going to Kaberle and McCabe...but he was playing the wing that game.

How does it actually go in NHL, are you forced to name the positions? I mean, was Belak officially a left wing in that game?

Actually to take this even further, where are you forced to name your skater X as a certain spot player?

Joe McGrath 01-04-2013 01:21 PM

Pretty sure this happened last season. I want to say in a Blackhawks game with one of the defenseman playing wing (screening the goalie) on the PP. I'll have to see if I can find an actual reference to it though.


Found the box score http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/boxscore...gid=2011111304

Montador from Leddy and Keith.

gifted88 01-04-2013 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe McGrath (Post 57100687)
Pretty sure this happened last season. I want to say in a Blackhawks game with one of the defenseman playing wing (screening the goalie) on the PP. I'll have to see if I can find an actual reference to it though.


Found the box score http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/boxscore...gid=2011111304

Montador from Leddy and Keith.

I think Chara had a similar thing happen with the Sens when they would park him in front of the net

Jaymond Flurrie 01-04-2013 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe McGrath (Post 57100687)
Pretty sure this happened last season. I want to say in a Blackhawks game with one of the defenseman playing wing (screening the goalie) on the PP. I'll have to see if I can find an actual reference to it though.


Found the box score http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/boxscore...gid=2011111304

Montador from Leddy and Keith.

Thanks! Happy to know that it is not insanely rare.

davebenj 01-04-2013 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gifted88 (Post 57098639)
Does a Dman who occationally lines up on the wing count? I think Belak once scored with assists going to Kaberle and McCabe...but he was playing the wing that game.

I wouldn't count that if he played wing at the time. Just me though.

OrrNumber4 01-05-2013 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by davebenj (Post 57107561)
I wouldn't count that if he played wing at the time. Just me though.

It would be very tough then, because you could also "not count it" if a player got an assist whilst on the bench (situation described earlier).

Teams just don't use three defenseman.

Personally, I'd count it if it were on the PP, where the positions are very loose anyways. I can certainly remember some plays where a team was on the PP using an "umbrella" formation. LH passes to RH passes to CH who scores. Three players all playing a role that defensemen on a PP often play.

whatname 01-06-2013 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace36758 (Post 57097907)
Could also be a situation in which a D man passes to his partner, goes off for a change, partner carries it up ice, then passes to the fresh d man who scores.

Probably about as rare as a 3 on 5 shorthanded goal-pure speculation though.

This, or when a d-man jumps out of the penalty box and joins the play.

Hammer Time 01-06-2013 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace36758 (Post 57097907)
Could also be a situation in which a D man passes to his partner, goes off for a change, partner carries it up ice, then passes to the fresh d man who scores.

Probably about as rare as a 3 on 5 shorthanded goal-pure speculation though.

Or perhaps (on a PK with a D in the box)
Defenceman gains control of the puck and passes it to defence partner
Defence partner clears the puck to centre ice
Penalty expires, the penalized defenceman jumps onto the ice, grabs the puck, skates in on a breakaway, and scores.

Claude Julien also experimented with having 3 defencemen on the ice during a Bruins PP in the finals, Boychuk and Kaberle (IIRC) on the points, and Chara screening Luongo.

BubbaBoot 01-06-2013 07:44 PM

Never really thought about it....it does sound like a real rarity. I really can't think of anything comparable to it in any other sport.

tarheelhockey 01-06-2013 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaymond Flurrie (Post 57098759)
How does it actually go in NHL, are you forced to name the positions? I mean, was Belak officially a left wing in that game?

Actually to take this even further, where are you forced to name your skater X as a certain spot player?

The coaches don't have to name positions officially. The roster sheets submitted before the game are just a list of names and numbers. Goalies are the exception, of course, since there are special rules for them.

Here is an image of the official rosters from one game:
http://pics.classicauctions.net/clas..._834_54978.jpg

FakeKidPoker* 01-07-2013 03:00 AM

The Hawks did it a couple years ago.

I believe it was Seabrook coming out of the box and he scored on a breakaway from Keith and...Campbell I think.. not sure


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