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DonthaveaCOWEN 01-05-2013 11:57 AM

What size arenas could these markets go to and still sell out?
 
25,000? 30,000? I doubt each team would be all the same, but these teams combined popularity with their metro size, could definately fill larger arenas. Question is, how large?

Toronto
Montreal
New York
Vancouver

I Hate Chris Butler 01-05-2013 12:05 PM

They could all sellout 30,000 imo. It would be difficult to see the puck in the nosebleeds I'd imagine.

I Am Score* 01-05-2013 12:10 PM

You forgot Rangers and Pittsburgh.

starling 01-05-2013 12:12 PM

Why they don't build 30000 arenas? Is there some kind of standard they can't go bigger?

sully1410 01-05-2013 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by starling (Post 57136169)
Why they don't build 30000 arenas? Is there some kind of standard they can't go bigger?

Harder to control the price of tickets. They make more money off of less seats and way higher ticket prices. Supply and Demand.

DonthaveaCOWEN 01-05-2013 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BradD (Post 57136113)
You forgot Rangers and Pittsburgh.

Pittsburgh i forgot but New York is there.

Fire Lindy 01-05-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BradD (Post 57136113)
You forgot Rangers and Pittsburgh.

Sure, if Pittsburgh always has Crosby/Malkin and continues to get lucky as hell in the draft..but that 30,000 arena would look pretty silly if they go back to suckage.

DonthaveaCOWEN 01-05-2013 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sully1410 (Post 57136367)
Harder to control the price of tickets. They make more money off of less seats and way higher ticket prices. Supply and Demand.

This. Baseball's finally starting to figure it out. Aside from the Yanks and Sox, no team can fill a 50,000 stadium on the reg. Better to build a 25-30,000 seat stadium (which they have been doing in recent times) and inflate those prices in correlation with the demand.

Prairie Habs 01-05-2013 12:39 PM

Is this if sight-lines could magically stay as good as they are now or taking into account that the new seats would basically just have to watch on screens to see anything?

IU Hawks fan 01-05-2013 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DonthaveaCOWEN (Post 57137149)
This. Baseball's finally starting to figure it out. Aside from the Yanks and Sox, no team can fill a 50,000 stadium on the reg. Better to build a 25-30,000 seat stadium (which they have been doing in recent times) and inflate those prices in correlation with the demand.

1) The Red Sox play in the smallest park in the league, so no, they aren't drawing 50K a game and don't think they could. Their pre-2004 attendance wasn't anything that incredible, but their bandwagon has grown over the years.
2) How many 25,000-30,000 seats stadiums exist in baseball? A: 0

Butch 19 01-05-2013 12:53 PM

Play every game outside in baseball or football stadiums.

Karter 01-05-2013 12:56 PM

You're forgetting the team with record attendance every time AKA Chicago.

iamjs 01-05-2013 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RockFlagAndEagle (Post 57137031)
Sure, if Pittsburgh always has Crosby/Malkin and continues to get lucky as hell in the draft..but that 30,000 arena would look pretty silly if they go back to suckage.

I think they could do 20,000-22,000. Those additional 2-4k seats would be a level higher and would be priced less, which would factor into those not wanting to pay $60 for a 2nd level ticket.

You might - and I emphasize might - hit 25,000 on a rivalry game like the Flyers or the Caps or perhaps even the playoffs, but I don't think it could be done consistently.

But 30,000? Toronto and Montreal without a doubt.

useref15 01-05-2013 07:17 PM

I think Philadelphia could do it as well

jigglysquishy 01-05-2013 07:33 PM

Pens without a legend are more likely to relocate than sell out.

Hugo Sham 01-05-2013 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by iamjs (Post 57147821)
I think they could do 20,000-22,000. Those additional 2-4k seats would be a level higher and would be priced less, which would factor into those not wanting to pay $60 for a 2nd level ticket.

You might - and I emphasize might - hit 25,000 on a rivalry game like the Flyers or the Caps or perhaps even the playoffs, but I don't think it could be done consistently.

But 30,000? Toronto and Montreal without a doubt.

montreal and toronto could hit 30K easy. but the arena site lines would be shiite. as it is right now at the Bell Center the top sections feel like nose bleeds...

Woll Smoth 01-05-2013 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by starling (Post 57136169)
Why they don't build 30000 arenas? Is there some kind of standard they can't go bigger?

You'd be spending millions of dollars on building the cheapest/worst seats in the building.

Lux Aurumque* 01-05-2013 07:58 PM

Toronto could easily fill a 50,000 person building, if not more.

black charger 01-05-2013 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadian Airlines (Post 57153971)
Toronto could easily fill a 50,000 person building, if not more.

They could probably sell that many seasons tickets.

craigcaulks* 01-05-2013 10:33 PM

How about we just make the seats smaller so the sight lines won't be affected by going higher? That might not work in some cities.

Colin226 01-05-2013 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Karter (Post 57137739)
You're forgetting the team with record attendance every time AKA Chicago.

Weren't doing that well only a few years ago

McTankel 01-05-2013 10:49 PM

Nearly every NFL team sells out 60-90k for each and every game during the year with some having tens of thousands on waiting list for seasons for decades on end. I am sure those teams could do the same for the NHL as its the main sport in there respective locations, outside of the Rangers due to having an insane population there.

Kane One 01-06-2013 01:56 AM

Philadelphia could easily do it as well.

BUFSABES1981 01-06-2013 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BradD (Post 57136113)
You forgot Rangers and Pittsburgh.

pittsburgh lol, man people forget 7 years ago when they were a lottery pick away from moving to KC.

Mister Hockey 01-06-2013 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BUFSABES1981 (Post 57164625)
pittsburgh lol, man people forget 7 years ago when they were a lottery pick away from moving to KC.

That was Mario pushing a new arena deal. I loved him as a player, but he almost killed hockey in Pittsburgh.

Mario forsced the Nasland and Zubov's trades. I do not post privite conversations I'had with Pens management. PM me if want to know.

Than the idoit, Howard Baldwin signed him to a contract that said he had to do nothing, but take money. Plus, screw Roger Marino out of 40 million in one year.

That's how Mario is an owner of The Pens. I still say he was the best ever, but he nearly cost hockey in Pittsburgh.

The city screwed up the casino and arena deal too.

The good thing is Mario has really mutured.


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