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buffalo GM 01-05-2013 02:41 PM

Teravainen vs Gaudreau
 
Who would you take, and why? Who is the most skilled?

4thlineforlife 01-05-2013 02:47 PM

terevainen easily, just better player. Gaudreau had a great tourny, but small sample sizes dont sway my opinion

Loffer 01-05-2013 02:49 PM

Gaudreau easily.

Skobel24 01-05-2013 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by topchowda (Post 57141697)
terevainen easily, just better player. Gaudreau had a great tourny, but small sample sizes dont sway my opinion

This sums up my feelings as of right now. As a Flames fan, I'm still psyched to have Gaudreau.

toewsintangibles 01-05-2013 02:52 PM

Gaudreau is a shrimp

Ashasx 01-05-2013 02:54 PM

Small international resume, but he's been light's out in the NCAA and USHL the last 3 years.

TheHudlinator 01-05-2013 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by toewsintangibles (Post 57141925)
Gaudreau is a shrimp

So is Martin St. Louis doesn't seem to have stopped him from having multiple ppg seasons. I think Teravainen is the safer pick but I think Gaudreau has a higher upside. Both great players its a toss up for me.

Rolen 01-05-2013 02:56 PM

I would take Teravainen only because he is a safer bet- which doesn't say much. Gaudreau is a great player but his size is a big issue he is going to have to overcome to make it to the NHL.

YARR123 01-05-2013 03:15 PM

Gaudreau is insanely skilled but is very small and a lean build. If you look at nhl potential TT should get the nod, if we're talking about who the best player is now, it's a lot closer. If you look at just this tournament, I'd say Gaudreau is better, but it's a small sample size and it's tougher to shine on a team that's not doing so well. Also TT is a year younger.

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Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 57142047)
So is Martin St. Louis doesn't seem to have stopped him from having multiple ppg seasons. I think Teravainen is the safer pick but I think Gaudreau has a higher upside. Both great players its a toss up for me.

Martin St. Louis is built like a brick, while Gaudreau is a very light build, there's a big difference.

Ashasx 01-05-2013 03:17 PM

St. Louis was no bigger than Gaudreau at 19 years old. Gaudreau has plenty of time to put on muscle.

That's not to say I would take him over Tuevo.

TheHudlinator 01-05-2013 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by YARR123 (Post 57143019)
Gaudreau is insanely skilled but is very small and a lean build. If you look at nhl potential TT should get the nod, if we're talking about who the best player is now, it's a lot closer. If you look at just this tournament, I'd say Gaudreau is better, but it's a small sample size and it's tougher to shine on a team that's not doing so well. Also TT is a year younger.


Martin St. Louis is built like a brick, while Gaudreau is a very light build, there's a big difference.

Not disagreeing that St. Louis is built but he is only 175 pounds and 5'8, JG is 155 and 5'9 in a few years he could easily be 175 pounds.

Intangiblezzz 01-05-2013 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Loffer (Post 57141763)
Gaudreau easily.

Care to explain why?

YARR123 01-05-2013 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 57143145)
Not disagreeing that St. Louis is built but he is only 175 pounds and 5'8, JG is 155 and 5'9 in a few years he could easily be 175 pounds.

He could be. But St. Louis is strong, he has an amazing physique, which helps him counter his lack of size.

JG is neither strong nor amazing in physique. It will take a long time to reach that and it may never happen. Strength is much more than just gaining the pounds and muscle.

Phion Keneuf 01-05-2013 03:29 PM

Gaudreau by a bit

4thlineforlife 01-05-2013 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 57142047)
So is Martin St. Louis doesn't seem to have stopped him from having multiple ppg seasons. I think Teravainen is the safer pick but I think Gaudreau has a higher upside. Both great players its a toss up for me.

Teravainen has way more upside, thats why he was considered to be a top 10-15 pick. In terms of reaching potential, Gaudreau is closer.

Better player now: Close but TT
More potential: Easily TT
Better WJC so will be hyped more:JG

TheHudlinator 01-05-2013 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by topchowda (Post 57143747)
Teravainen has way more upside, thats why he was considered to be a top 10-15 pick. In terms of reaching potential, Gaudreau is closer.

I disagree I think JG has 1st line potential and TT is more of a 2nd line player. I am not saying TT is bad I think he is real good but I think JG has more skill.

Sevanston 01-05-2013 03:37 PM

For stat watchers who are okay with small sample sizes:

In the WJC this year, TT (who is over a year younger than Johnny) put up more points than Gaudreau in one less game.

TERAVAINEN Teuvo 6GP, 5g, 6a, 11p
GAUDREAU John 7GP, 7g, 2a, 9p

Obviously this is barely evidence of anything, but I don't see any numbers backing up an argument for picking Johnny G "easily"

TheHudlinator 01-05-2013 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sevanston (Post 57143945)
For stat watchers who are okay with small sample sizes:

In the WJC this year, TT (who is over a year younger than Johnny) put up more points than Gaudreau in one less game.

TERAVAINEN Teuvo 6GP, 5g, 6a, 11p
GAUDREAU John 7GP, 7g, 2a, 9p

Obviously this is barely evidence of anything, but I don't see any numbers backing up an argument for picking Johnny G "easily"

Those same people would say TT>Yakupov

4thlineforlife 01-05-2013 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 57143821)
I disagree I think JG has 1st line potential and TT is more of a 2nd line player. I am not saying TT is bad I think he is real good but I think JG has more skill.

They are both very skilled players, but ill wait till the WJC hype dies down before debating over potential. Even before the WJC I didnt hear many flames fans saying JG had great 1st line potential, they were content with a 2nd line skilled player but now after a good 7 game stretch hes considered a top 10 prospect. Plenty of players have good WJC but never play to that level again

Gary83* 01-05-2013 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sevanston (Post 57143945)
For stat watchers who are okay with small sample sizes:

In the WJC this year, TT (who is over a year younger than Johnny) put up more points than Gaudreau in one less game.

TERAVAINEN Teuvo 6GP, 5g, 6a, 11p
GAUDREAU John 7GP, 7g, 2a, 9p

Obviously this is barely evidence of anything, but I don't see any numbers backing up an argument for picking Johnny G "easily"

How many of those points did he put up against those powerhouse relegation teams?

Sevanston 01-05-2013 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary83 (Post 57144175)
How many of those points did he put up against those powerhouse relegation teams?

Plenty. Off the top of my head, at least 4 against Slovakia.

I'm not using the numbers to say that TT > Gaudreau. I'm just pointing out that they're close enough -- especially considering the full year age difference -- that I don't think they back up an argument for picking Gaudreau "easily" over TT.

Without doing the math, my guess is that their NCAA/SM-Liiga numbers wouldn't back up a JG > TT "easily" argument either.

Some might still say JG > TT "easily" after giving them both the eyeball test, and that's fine. I just don't think the numbers back it up.

EbonyRaptor 01-05-2013 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGleninator (Post 57144075)
Those same people would say TT>Yakupov

I didn't see anyone jumping to that conclusion - just simply giving statistical evidence to counter the "JG had a better tourney" claim. And in terms of the tourney - I'd say TT did better than Yakupov. It's only a short tourney and I'm not saying TT will have a better career than Yakupov - odds are Yakupov will end up being the better player - but for this tourney, I think TT played better than Gaudreau and Gaudreau played better than Yakupov.

4thlineforlife 01-05-2013 04:02 PM

I think a better comparsion would be JG vs. Kadri

TS Quint 01-05-2013 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx (Post 57143103)
St. Louis was no bigger than Gaudreau at 19 years old. Gaudreau has plenty of time to put on muscle.

That's not to say I would take him over Tuevo.

How many players in the top 100 scorers are under 5'10? 3 or 4? StLouis is a pretty rare player. When you are that small you better be scoring because you aren't worth much else. At 5'6 its pretty rare you can score 15 goals and stay in the league. He better be able to put up 25+ or he never makes the NHL.

JohnnyGoodDro 01-05-2013 04:21 PM

Gaudreau is smarter player. higher upside and.better currently.

teuvo is safer but not as skilled.


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